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Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)
It all boils down to who you believe has been bought off. Yourself, Tito, Spicoli, Master, Kirkland, Slim, et al believe Trump has been bought & paid for. Whereas I (and perhaps a few others) believe the bought politicians are of the establishment class, I believe on both sides Democrat & Republican.

Russian collusion was thoroughly investigated and found not a whiff of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden's very existence is merely scratching the surface of a deep dark corrupt ROT at the very heart of Global politics. And I would figure you MIGHT be interested in it seeing how it involves not only other nations (specifically those interested in 1 World Government) but the very largest corporations some of whom utilize slave labor to this very day.

But to each their own. Not like the Chinese have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar....Fang Fang anyone? Swalwell? Feinstein? Naaaah denial and calling it a "conspiracy theory" is far too easy.


What policies has Trump used to Russia's advantage vs what he's done to help Americans? What policies have our previous & current establishment politicians used to help Russia or China or whomever OTHER than The United States...NAFTA? TPP? Endless wars? Iran Nuclear Deal? Paris Climate Accords? Those don't help Americans at all.


Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum. )

I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.