Today In Biden Land

**NoSavingByTheBell** · 12-17-2020 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum.

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I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.

Alright, and I appreciate you taking the opportunity to run through specific examples(if you will) of why you dislike Trump. Some people cite the Central Park 5 and what he said about them, some people cite some bogus bullshit pushed by a dishonest media, and sometimes Trump simply doesn't help himself with his brash old school New Yorker personality....I understand why certain people would find that off putting.

I'm not going to go on and on about Trump because this is the BIDEN thread and I want to make sure I make everyone happy and stay on topic.

There's no way Hunter Biden gets any of the jobs he has held in recent years without Daddy being who he is. And there's a reason why he's sought out for such positions and it ain't because he's super smart. Has he broken the law? Well just being able to float that question is a big issue, just being able to ask has been met (at the media level) with MASSIVE resistance which to me personally perks my ears up.

You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" just to take a second and question the premise of what is being rolled out as "news". Why did Twitter change their retweeting policy before the election and change it back AFTER the election? Seems odd and/or convenient. But maybe I've just got a naturally questioning attitude.

To your point on not liking Trump as a person....I get that, I understand it. I see that from more than a few people....getting people to divorce themselves from the emotions of not liking the guy and focusing on what he accomplished is difficult. It's why getting someone such as yourself to seriously question "Was the vote REALLY on the up and up?" is a very difficult thing. Big time proof will have to be provided and when it's difficult just to pose the question to/for the media then you know any and all evidence will immediately be trashed, they'll immediately run stories about how bogus it is...hard to believe since in the past these companies had serious questions about these very same voting machines.

Not JUST those companies, but Democrat members of the House and Senate, among whom Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Butter-judge, Ron Wyden, Patty Murray, and Richard Blumenthal ALL made impassioned speeches several times each since 2016 about how Dominion Voting machines were highly-suspect and easily hackable, and how some of their servers were overseas, and how we can't let these machines create a fraudulent vote tabulation but hey, WTF. spend 4 and a half years yelling Russia Russia Russia Collusion, illegitimate Trump, Russian-assisted Prez, etc, 4 and a half years...... but now HEY, THE MERE IDEA OF A FRAUDULENT ELECTION MEANS PEOPLE ARE NUTS. Go figure.