Today In Biden Land

[Beanz]

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)

It all boils down to who you believe has been bought off. Yourself, Tito, Spicoli, Master, Kirkland, Slim, et al believe Trump has been bought & paid for. Whereas I (and perhaps a few others) believe the bought politicians are of the establishment class, I believe on both sides Democrat & Republican.

Russian collusion was thoroughly investigated and found not a whiff of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden's very existence is merely scratching the surface of a deep dark corrupt ROT at the very heart of Global politics. And I would figure you MIGHT be interested in it seeing how it involves not only other nations (specifically those interested in 1 World Government) but the very largest corporations some of whom utilize slave labor to this very day.

But to each their own. Not like the Chinese have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar....Fang Fang anyone? Swalwell? Feinstein? Naaaah denial and calling it a "conspiracy theory" is far too easy.


What policies has Trump used to Russia's advantage vs what he's done to help Americans? What policies have our previous & current establishment politicians used to help Russia or China or whomever OTHER than The United States...NAFTA? TPP? Endless wars? Iran Nuclear Deal? Paris Climate Accords? Those don't help Americans at all.

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

[El Kabong]

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

Well I explained as to why you might hold that view and I don't think I was insulting in doing so. I don't think the public is currently privy to the information needed to draw conclusions as of yet.


So you believe Biden has been "bought for years"? Trump is not of the political class ergo his diehard following, but if you think he IS of the political class, please do show your work.


No, I've stated, well before you I think many a politician, many an ESTABLISHMENT Republican & Democrat have been bought and paid for. But if you want to call me a liar go ahead, it ain't the worst you've called me and fuck me if it makes any fucking difference to you what you've called me, you clearly don't give a fuck. Who knows maybe we'll meet one day

[Spicoli]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

[El Kabong]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

Then you're obviously more at ease with the election than a lot of people are....and that's fine, but the pushback from damn near everyone on Trump and Trump's supporters merely requesting audits is something I find puzzling and worrisome. If Biden did indeed win in such large numbers (legally, legitimately, fair & fuckin square) why the bristling at the mere suggestion of auditing the tallies? The reaction is not insignificant I can assure you.


What has happened is like Trump & Biden were sat down at a game of poker, all bets made, here's the flop, here's the turn, here's the river....and Trump shows his cards ooooh a very nice FULL HOUSE and when it comes for Biden to turn his cards over he just says "You're dancing at the wrong hoedown, you diesel-pumpin' gopher gobbler! I've got a ROYAL FLUSH!" and then he immediately starts raking in the pot never actually turning his cards over.

All Trump is asking is to see the cards....and apparently that's being a sore loser, apparently that's insane, apparently some people see that as a rather LOW thing for him to do.


Looking at the statistics Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

[Beanz]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

Then you're obviously more at ease with the election than a lot of people are....and that's fine, but the pushback from damn near everyone on Trump and Trump's supporters merely requesting audits is something I find puzzling and worrisome. If Biden did indeed win in such large numbers (legally, legitimately, fair & fuckin square) why the bristling at the mere suggestion of auditing the tallies? The reaction is not insignificant I can assure you.


What has happened is like Trump & Biden were sat down at a game of poker, all bets made, here's the flop, here's the turn, here's the river....and Trump shows his cards ooooh a very nice FULL HOUSE and when it comes for Biden to turn his cards over he just says "You're dancing at the wrong hoedown, you diesel-pumpin' gopher gobbler! I've got a ROYAL FLUSH!" and then he immediately starts raking in the pot never actually turning his cards over.

All Trump is asking is to see the cards....and apparently that's being a sore loser, apparently that's insane, apparently some people see that as a rather LOW thing for him to do.


Looking at the statistics Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

I am hugely embarrassed on behalf of both you and Brock. Seriously if you both believe this bollocks then i am at a lost as to what to say. It's beyond laughable, you are here trying to justify any kind of behavior you think necessary to pretend Trump and by extension you guys won.

Really?


For years from the first page of this thread you have been 100% partisan insisting that it is all about the Republicans not being corrupt like the Dems. The very opposite of what you are claiming now. You both guzzled the Kool Aid and are playing out of the same playbook as TIC. Seriously fuck off with that bullshit.

Nobody else in the entire thread subscribed in such an idealogical way than you two do to Trump. Most of the fellas here can see hypocrisy right across the board but you fucking lied and convinced yourself everyone must be like you.

Years of lies.

YOU lied and insisted that we all must love the Clintons.

You LIED and insisted we all just love Obama.

You fucking lied man.

Most people here do not subscribe to the kind of polarity you have held up high for four years now.

The Clintons are as dodgy as they come . I fucking railed against them on stages for years, the same with the Bush empire. Blair and Thatcher etc. Both sides of the same coin but Trump and Johnson are even worse.

THEY HAVE NO VALUES. They think it is all the big fucking look at ME show. Boris with his pathetic meandering faux patriotic latin bullshit as he makes he KGB mates Lords in the house of Lords and Trump with his TV Snake oil bullshit as he gets on his knees for the house of Saud.

And Tito thinks you deserve some kind of respect or dignity after you pretend anyone who questions you has no redeeming factors, and you continue to back a man who will have you shooting your fellow Americans in the face after you have funded his families court fees?

[TIC]

why are you mentioning me spastic? i ask a simple question regarding convid & weak minded retards like yourself are not honest enough to face the truth. you are the biggest proven liar on this forum

[El Kabong]

I am hugely embarrassed on behalf of both you and Brock. Seriously if you both believe this bollocks then i am at a lost as to what to say. It's beyond laughable, you are here trying to justify any kind of behavior you think necessary to pretend Trump and by extension you guys won.

Really?


For years from the first page of this thread you have been 100% partisan insisting that it is all about the Republicans not being corrupt like the Dems. The very opposite of what you are claiming now. You both guzzled the Kool Aid and are playing out of the same playbook as TIC. Seriously fuck off with that bullshit.

Nobody else in the entire thread subscribed in such an idealogical way than you two do to Trump. Most of the fellas here can see hypocrisy right across the board but you fucking lied and convinced yourself everyone must be like you.

Years of lies.

YOU lied and insisted that we all must love the Clintons.

You LIED and insisted we all just love Obama.

You fucking lied man.

Most people here do not subscribe to the kind of polarity you have held up high for four years now.

The Clintons are as dodgy as they come . I fucking railed against them on stages for years, the same with the Bush empire. Blair and Thatcher etc. Both sides of the same coin but Trump and Johnson are even worse.

THEY HAVE NO VALUES. They think it is all the big fucking look at ME show. Boris with his pathetic meandering faux patriotic latin bullshit as he makes he KGB mates Lords in the house of Lords and Trump with his TV Snake oil bullshit as he gets on his knees for the house of Saud.

And Tito thinks you deserve some kind of respect or dignity after you pretend anyone who questions you has no redeeming factors, and you continue to back a man who will have you shooting your fellow Americans in the face after you have funded his families court fees?

There's no need for you to be embarrassed on behalf of anyone but yourself. It's quite an easy solution, audit the vote of the states in question. Shouldn't take long, probably wouldn't be but just a few counties....but the harsh pushback means YES there is fuckery going on. Don't believe me? Let's see the audit then, if there's nothing there Biden & the entire 81 million Biden voters should be eager to show off their giant win....otherwise questions remain.

81 million people 477 counties.
81 million votes for Democrat Presidential candidate.....yet down ballot Democrats got fucking slaughtered.
President Trump made HUGE gains in votes, from almost 63 million to 74.2 million votes. And many of those votes from Black & Hispanic voters.

But hey if there's nothing there, then why oppose a look so vehemently?

"Seriously fuck off with that bullshit"....ok Beanz, let's take a look at who is corrupt. Dianne Feinstein had a Chinese spy in her Administration for 30 years. Eric Swalwell just caught with Chinese spy Fang Fang. Hunter Biden sent an email on June 18, 2017, to Zhao Runlong at CEFC China Energy. The email asks Zhao to “translate my letter to Chairman Ye, please extend my warmest best wishes and that I hope to see the Chairman soon.” “I hope my letter finds you well,” Hunter Biden reportedly wrote to Ye. “I regret missing you on your last visit to the United States. Please accept the best wishes from the entire Biden family as well as my partners.” “We are all hoping to see you here again soon, or in Shanghai,” he wrote. The letter said Hunter Biden had “concluded the establishment of SinoHawk Holdings” — a Biden-CEFC joint venture — and that a request had been made to “Dong Gongwen [Gongwen Dong] and Director Zang for the funding of the $10 MM USD wire.” That's HUNTER "It's not a CRACK pipe it's a METH pipe" Biden....had Don Jr. Eric, or Ivanka taken 1 thin fucking dime from Putin or anyone else they'd be under the deepest darkest prison in America by now.

The "years of lies" was Russiagate you dumb fuck.

OK you don't like The Clinton's who did you support in 2012

OK you don't like Obama, who did you support from 2008-2012?

Only a few people were in the running so it narrows your choices. Quick quick lil Beanz, try making a case for Gary Johnson or Joe Jorgensen or Jill Stein, go on, I'll be super excited to read WHY you supported them.

Boris is no friend of mine, he's an oaf. Yes he's a better choice than Corbyn, but not by much. And of course what would Joe Biden be without plagiarizing a British politician 'Build Back Better' the slogan of the 'Great Reset' adopted by Boris, used by all the Globalists.

Your take on my hypothetically shooting someone is a laugh riot. You miss quite a few caveats I specifically listed, but that's ok, it's no worse than the typical bullshit you sling at me.....but your poor friend Brock with whom you had just been so close. You don't wish to understand him? You don't wish to see his reason? ......some friend.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud 'more than sufficient' to swing victory to Trump
by Andrew Mark Miller, Social Media Producer | | December 17, 2020 01:40 PM

The 36-page report “assesses the fairness and integrity of the 2020 Presidential Election by examining six dimensions of alleged election irregularities across six key battleground states” and concludes that “patterns of election irregularities ... are so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election, strategically game the election process in such a way as to ... unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket.”

The six dimensions of voting irregularities in the report include: outright voter fraud, ballot mishandling, contestable process fouls, equal protection clause violations, voting machine irregularities, and significant statistical anomalies.

All six of those voting issues were present in at least two key states, according to the report, and a total of six battleground states experienced multiple examples of the other dimensions.

“Evidence used to conduct this assessment includes more than 50 lawsuits and judicial rulings, thousands of affidavits and declarations, testimony in a variety of state venues, published analyses by think tanks and legal centers, videos and photos, public comments, and extensive press coverage,” the report claims.

Additionally, the report cites affidavits alleging the exploitation of the elderly and the infirm by “effectively hijacking their identities and votes” and accuses Democrats of using the coronavirus pandemic to relax voter ID requirements to the point that ballot harvesting and fraud could slip by unnoticed.

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Trump is going to activate the military to seize all Dominion Voting Machines, and order re-voting in those 6 swing states. He won in a landslide.

[TitoFan]

Audit away, I say.

There was a vote audit of a county in northern Michigan and it yielded a swing of 12 votes in favor of Trump.

The uncovering of Massive Voter Fraud is well underway.

[Kirkland Laing]

Looking at the statistics

Ffs sake Lyle. You do come up with some funny ones. The problem here is you need to be able to put any random number you read or see somewhere in some kind of context and then maybe be able to apply some critical thinking to the whole thing and this is where you fall down what with having absolutely nothing at all on your little shelf other than whatever bullshit you've been fed over the previous 24-48 hours and absolutely positively zero ability to apply any kind of critical thought process.

Firstly the number of counties thing would maybe have some kind of significance if counties were roughly equally populated but they're not. Sixty percent of Americans live in less than five percent of American counties. You have one county with over ten million citizens living there and dozens of counties with less than a thousand voters. Over the past couple of elections Trump has cleaned up with rural voters in low population areas but lost increasingly heavily in the parts of the country where the people actually live and that make all the money.

And the bit about how Biden got more votes than Obama? Again an exceptional argument if the population in 2020 was the same number as in 2008 but it's not. There are 25 million more Americans now Lyle than when Obama got elected.

Trump and his supporters are merely requesting audits? This is another example of you not having a fucking clue of the election laws that currently exist in America. Most states have mandatory audits of national elections and these have already been carried out. At this point you possibly could realise that you haven't got a fucking clue about the stuff you're posting about and you're just parroting the garbage you're being fed by whatever media you consume.

Maybe it would be instructive to consider the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about eh? Actual experts. People who have forgotten more about elections than the sum total of everything you will ever know about everything. And all of these people Lyle, people involved at the state and national level in running fair and secure elections all say that the election was unusually secure and went without a hitch all things considered.

Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

[SlimTrae]

Ffs sake Lyle. You do come up with some funny ones. The problem here is you need to be able to put any random number you read or see somewhere in some kind of context and then maybe be able to apply some critical thinking to the whole thing and this is where you fall down what with having absolutely nothing at all on your little shelf other than whatever bullshit you've been fed over the previous 24-48 hours and absolutely positively zero ability to apply any kind of critical thought process.

Firstly the number of counties thing would maybe have some kind of significance if counties were roughly equally populated but they're not. Sixty percent of Americans live in less than five percent of American counties. You have one county with over ten million citizens living there and dozens of counties with less than a thousand voters. Over the past couple of elections Trump has cleaned up with rural voters in low population areas but lost increasingly heavily in the parts of the country where the people actually live and that make all the money.

And the bit about how Biden got more votes than Obama? Again an exceptional argument if the population in 2020 was the same number as in 2008 but it's not. There are 25 million more Americans now Lyle than when Obama got elected.

Trump and his supporters are merely requesting audits? This is another example of you not having a fucking clue of the election laws that currently exist in America. Most states have mandatory audits of national elections and these have already been carried out. At this point you possibly could realise that you haven't got a fucking clue about the stuff you're posting about and you're just parroting the garbage you're being fed by whatever media you consume.

Maybe it would be instructive to consider the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about eh? Actual experts. People who have forgotten more about elections than the sum total of everything you will ever know about everything. And all of these people Lyle, people involved at the state and national level in running fair and secure elections all say that the election was unusually secure and went without a hitch all things considered.

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[SlimTrae]

Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency (CISA) stated no fraud. So they are labeled as being complicit in fraud.

FBI belittled for not taking sides.

Court Justice of the swing states all deemed fraudulent for not reversing Biden votes

The ENTIRE SUPREME COURT has been deemed fraudulent.

Dominion is on the Biden-liberal train so they flipped votes.

Smartmatic software is accused of being on the take to side with Biden

Again, Dead ass Hugo Chavez a apart of the plot.

Ships from Korea sent ballots by the millions.

Black people ( in Milwaukee) Wisconsin voted illegally

Republican poll watchers were not allowed to monitor votes (regardless that the world watched the live feed, showing them watching)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zzb...ature=youtu.be
Above was one of several links one could watch at home and see what was going on. Yet those who cry the loudest about this fraud; why weren't they watching these live feeds instead of pushing gossip, that now FOX won't peddle? Barr won't? Judges cross country won't push it anymore.
And to state again: NEWSMAX stated they had NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD.

[Beanz]

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

Well I explained as to why you might hold that view and I don't think I was insulting in doing so. I don't think the public is currently privy to the information needed to draw conclusions as of yet.


So you believe Biden has been "bought for years"? Trump is not of the political class ergo his diehard following, but if you think he IS of the political class, please do show your work.


No, I've stated, well before you I think many a politician, many an ESTABLISHMENT Republican & Democrat have been bought and paid for. But if you want to call me a liar go ahead, it ain't the worst you've called me and fuck me if it makes any fucking difference to you what you've called me, you clearly don't give a fuck. Who knows maybe we'll meet one day

You can meet me twice a week and have been invited to without leaving the comfort of your own home. Come on man, stop with this fake Alpha male bravado bullshit , if you are going to continue to put words into other people's mouths and speak on behalf of them, do not be surprised when you are pulled up about it. You are supposed to value frankness and yet here you are expecting me to bullshit you and pretend you give a shit about what people call you when here you are telling us all what we think and believe.

Nobody owes you fuck all, least of all 'showing you our work'. Slim did that for months on end and you got that tray of Michelin star evidence and reason, threw it in his face and offered him and all of us, a big fat fucking nothing burger.



Mean spirited , misogynistic, racist bigotry is bad enough coming from fucking Fox News, Infowars, Newsmax and the other 'Entertainment' channels you substitute for any kind of news. When it comes from the Presidents mouth and hands 14 hrs a day and you have the fucking audacity to argue that the prick is not part of the political class, your right to be taken seriously is hugely undermined.

People do not like Trump not because 'they think he is a Cunt' or because the non sycophantic propaganda channels have convinced them he is a cunt. They do not like him because he actually is a full blown cunt.

You want to defend him then go ahead but do not pretend that anyone not agreeing with you are just as vulnerable to the same brainwashed delusional cult faith based bullshit you subscribe too.

[Kirkland Laing]

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

Well I explained as to why you might hold that view and I don't think I was insulting in doing so. I don't think the public is currently privy to the information needed to draw conclusions as of yet.


So you believe Biden has been "bought for years"? Trump is not of the political class ergo his diehard following, but if you think he IS of the political class, please do show your work.


No, I've stated, well before you I think many a politician, many an ESTABLISHMENT Republican & Democrat have been bought and paid for. But if you want to call me a liar go ahead, it ain't the worst you've called me and fuck me if it makes any fucking difference to you what you've called me, you clearly don't give a fuck. Who knows maybe we'll meet one day

Look at who actually funds Trump. Dark money groups, Wall Street, billionaires, corporations. Just like every other significant politician.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-pre...s?id=N00023864


https://www.investopedia.com/article...p-campaign.asp




As the Nov. 3 election sparks record campaign contributions, the CEOs of S&P 500 companies are helping to fund the war chests of President Donald Trump and challenger Joe Biden, while also contributing to other Republican and Democratic politicians.
In their political giving as individuals, these chief executives have combined to give more to Trump than Biden. Some 15 CEOs whose companies are components of the S&P 500 SPX, +0.58% have donated a total of $2.489 million to Trump’s principal campaign committee, its joint fundraising groups with the Republican National Committee or pro-Trump super PACs.
Meanwhile, 30 chief execs have contributed $536,100 to Biden’s main campaign committee, its joint groups with the Democratic National Committee or pro-Biden super PACs.


And Trump has just been a standard issue GOP politician. He's followed their bedrock commitments to redistrribute wealth upwards and do the bidding of Wall Srteet and big corporations and he's slashed labour rights and protections. What was the only major piece of legislation that passed in the last four years? The corporate tax cut. Here's part of what he did to rig the economy even further in favour of big business and against workers:

https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2020/oc...abor-weil.html

https://www.epi.org/blog/president-t...since-day-one/

The guy he appointed as Labour Secretary is a lawyer who has spent his life in court and as a lobbyist gutting labour rights and fighting to achieve bigger corporate profits at the expense of workers:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...med-at-workers

[TitoFan]

Somehow the "Biden Land" thread has turned into another Trump thread.

@El Kabong, I see where you're arguing on many fronts simultaneously. I'd say we all take a collective deep breath and keep things on an even keel.

Once again I value the way you and I couldn't possible disagree more on Donald Trump... and our discussions are heated... yet we manage to maintain our civility and there are no personal insults being thrown about.

One thing I'll say about your views about Trump is that you've been consistent throughout. What you feel today is what you felt back in 2016, etc., etc. I respect a man who sticks to his convictions and doesn't flip-flop like Lindsey Graham.

We're all allowed our preferences and sometimes we forget that.

If you read my last post, it was passionate to be sure. But I needed to dispel the dogged notion that I (speaking only for myself here) base my opinions of Trump simply on CNN talking heads, other media, or hearsay on the street.

I've been steadfast myself in insisting it is Trump's own actions and words that have taken my opinion of him down to negative 1 million on a scale of 1 to 100.

I gave you various examples of where Trump's accomplishments are instead dubious examples of things he's actually screwed up, rather than accomplish anything positive.

I bristled at your insistence that Trump gets a pass because he's a New Yorker because I feel that is as weak an excuse as anyone will ever hear. I use my own example, as being technically a New Yorker, and having family in New York.
It's not a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

A fact that cannot be up for debate is that Trump has managed to create the deepest, widest chasm of a rift in the American public in recorded history. Is that something to be proud of? IMHO, it isn't. It's severely damaging... and much of that damage is sadly irreversible.

The argument that the public has always been divided is akin to saying after a tsunami that the waves are always quite large at the affected part of the coastline. It doesn't wash.

I've even gone as far as saying that had I been able to vote in 2016, I would've voted for Trump. That was the extent to which I disliked and mistrusted Hillary. But I would've had my reservations, because I've never liked Trump even as the piss-poor reality TV star he was before becoming President.

Us in the anti-Trump side come at you with different arguments and styles of arguing. I respect you as a man, an adult, and someone who is obviously intelligent and has his reasons for thinking like he does. But personal insults and attacks should be out of bounds. And THAT... I do not forgive.... er... I mean applaud (must've watched Marlon Brando recently ).

Sorry for the boring rant... but I hope it helps to compartmentalize the backlash you're getting about Trump (in the Biden Land thread ).