Tank vs Garcia vs Haney vs Teo

[powerpuncher]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

[Fenster]

On form (who you beat)

Teo
Garcia
Tank
Haney

Who comes out on top in a round robin

Teo

[Ron Swanson]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

They are picking lesser fighters though, and giving up the shot at undisputed. It says something that they would rather have less money and not be undisputed.

I agree Haney is the least proven. He’s also the one out there at every fight “fight me” and they all have reasons where they want less money and no belt.

Maybe Haney isn’t that good. He certainly didn’t look great in his last fight. But I’d like to see one of these guys step up to his challenges. And saying you’ll fight him for 10 million is saying you won’t fight him

[Spicoli]

I'll give young Ryan his props. He got dropped flat on his arse and popped up and pressed for and made the ko. That's big. But I have a sneaking suspicion he runs the risk of being one of those guys whos flaws are glossed over and not corrected before he's put into the deep mixes. Flaws incorporated. Berto, Broner, Wilder type of push a little bit. But every fighter can improve with the top training he has with him..the problem is he is insisting on the very best next out. Once you reach the top tier, you cannot learn backwards and go unscathed. I think Teo and Davis will be too physical and punch diverse for him. Getting clipped repeatedly with long lefts is one thing but those two get that leverage om both hands, uppercuts to short hooks etc. Teo has that footwork too. Haney seemingly has a full tool box but need to see much more. He looked a little bit pedestrian in spots with Gamboa. Coasted. Gotta see that fire in the gut.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I'll give young Ryan his props. He got dropped flat on his arse and popped up and pressed for and made the ko. That's big. But I have a sneaking suspicion he runs the risk of being one of those guys whos flaws are glossed over and not corrected before he's put into the deep mixes. Flaws incorporated. Berto, Broner, Wilder type of push a little bit. But every fighter can improve with the top training he has with him..the problem is he is insisting on the very best next out. Once you reach the top tier, you cannot learn backwards and go unscathed. I think Teo and Davis will be too physical and punch diverse for him. Getting clipped repeatedly with long lefts is one thing but those two get that leverage om both hands, uppercuts to short hooks etc. Teo has that footwork too. Haney seemingly has a full tool box but need to see much more. He looked a little bit pedestrian in spots with Gamboa. Coasted. Gotta see that fire in the gut.

Agreed

[sanatogen]

Garcia and Haney fought at least 6 times in Amateurs.

Garcia claims Haney not responding to him, implying he's not as keen on a match up.

[TitoFan]

I think both Teo and Davis knock out Garcia. I've always favored the hard-scrabble, tough young fighters who rise despite their persistent anonymity. Garcia is another "golden-spoon" hype product. Not saying he ain't good... only that he would meet a harsh reality against any of those two. I'm not a Davis fan, mostly based on his off-the-ring shenanigans... but I can't deny his greatness and potential.

[TIC]

I think both Teo and Davis knock out Garcia. I've always favored the hard-scrabble, tough young fighters who rise despite their persistent anonymity. Garcia is another "golden-spoon" hype product. Not saying he ain't good... only that he would meet a harsh reality against any of those two. I'm not a Davis fan, mostly based on his off-the-ring shenanigans... but I can't deny his greatness and potential.

it wasn't long ago teofimo was struggling with Masayoshi, who is very underrated just saying & gervonta hasn't fought anyone yet to start talking about greatness

[powerpuncher]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

They are picking lesser fighters though, and giving up the shot at undisputed. It says something that they would rather have less money and not be undisputed.

I agree Haney is the least proven. He’s also the one out there at every fight “fight me” and they all have reasons where they want less money and no belt.

Maybe Haney isn’t that good. He certainly didn’t look great in his last fight. But I’d like to see one of these guys step up to his challenges. And saying you’ll fight him for 10 million is saying you won’t fight him

What lesser fighters are they picking? Teo fought Loma who many people considered #1 p4p. Before that, he fought Commey who was a proven lightweight. He hasn’t picked his next fight yet so we will see. I will see your point of ducking Haney if he fights a low quality fighter next.

Tank is still technically at 130 so we will see what he does. I do agree that Tank has definitely been dodging some people. I’m not sure so much if it’s Haney but he hasn’t been fighting the best competition lately.

Garcia just fought Campbell who is a established lightweight that he could get real recognition for. Beating Haney before beating Campbell would most likely result in Haney being called overrated rather than Garcia being legit.

Again, let’s wait and see what these fighters do in their next outing first. We will also see what Haney does. It’s easy to call out top fighters when you are the unproven one. If Haney fights and beats a caliber of fighter that the other 3 have done in their last fight then he has more of a case to be their top priority. As of now, I don’t think Haney is a top opponent of any of them.

[Ron Swanson]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

They are picking lesser fighters though, and giving up the shot at undisputed. It says something that they would rather have less money and not be undisputed.

I agree Haney is the least proven. He’s also the one out there at every fight “fight me” and they all have reasons where they want less money and no belt.

Maybe Haney isn’t that good. He certainly didn’t look great in his last fight. But I’d like to see one of these guys step up to his challenges. And saying you’ll fight him for 10 million is saying you won’t fight him

What lesser fighters are they picking? Teo fought Loma who many people considered #1 p4p. Before that, he fought Commey who was a proven lightweight. He hasn’t picked his next fight yet so we will see. I will see your point of ducking Haney if he fights a low quality fighter next.

Tank is still technically at 130 so we will see what he does. I do agree that Tank has definitely been dodging some people. I’m not sure so much if it’s Haney but he hasn’t been fighting the best competition lately.

Garcia just fought Campbell who is a established lightweight that he could get real recognition for. Beating Haney before beating Campbell would most likely result in Haney being called overrated rather than Garcia being legit.

Again, let’s wait and see what these fighters do in their next outing first. We will also see what Haney does. It’s easy to call out top fighters when you are the unproven one. If Haney fights and beats a caliber of fighter that the other 3 have done in their last fight then he has more of a case to be their top priority. As of now, I don’t think Haney is a top opponent of any of them.

Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. He fought Campbell, Garcia fought Campbell, watch, Garcia will turn down his mandatory. We don’t need to wait for it, we know it’s coming. Teo is fighting Cambosos(spelling) for 0 belts. Teo said he needs 10 million to fight Haney, that’s a joke and everyone knows it. I’ll just keep my years and years long tradition of telling you all what will happen going. Garcia will turn down his mandatory.

At some point people need to stop defending ducking. Look at GGG ducking Charlo “we will never fight Charlo”, that should be railed about but people call him a “take all comers” guy. It’s dishonest.

Care to bet if Garcia takes his mandatory?

[powerpuncher]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

They are picking lesser fighters though, and giving up the shot at undisputed. It says something that they would rather have less money and not be undisputed.

I agree Haney is the least proven. He’s also the one out there at every fight “fight me” and they all have reasons where they want less money and no belt.

Maybe Haney isn’t that good. He certainly didn’t look great in his last fight. But I’d like to see one of these guys step up to his challenges. And saying you’ll fight him for 10 million is saying you won’t fight him

What lesser fighters are they picking? Teo fought Loma who many people considered #1 p4p. Before that, he fought Commey who was a proven lightweight. He hasn’t picked his next fight yet so we will see. I will see your point of ducking Haney if he fights a low quality fighter next.

Tank is still technically at 130 so we will see what he does. I do agree that Tank has definitely been dodging some people. I’m not sure so much if it’s Haney but he hasn’t been fighting the best competition lately.

Garcia just fought Campbell who is a established lightweight that he could get real recognition for. Beating Haney before beating Campbell would most likely result in Haney being called overrated rather than Garcia being legit.

Again, let’s wait and see what these fighters do in their next outing first. We will also see what Haney does. It’s easy to call out top fighters when you are the unproven one. If Haney fights and beats a caliber of fighter that the other 3 have done in their last fight then he has more of a case to be their top priority. As of now, I don’t think Haney is a top opponent of any of them.

Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. He fought Campbell, Garcia fought Campbell, watch, Garcia will turn down his mandatory. We don’t need to wait for it, we know it’s coming. Teo is fighting Cambosos(spelling) for 0 belts. Teo said he needs 10 million to fight Haney, that’s a joke and everyone knows it. I’ll just keep my years and years long tradition of telling you all what will happen going. Garcia will turn down his mandatory.

At some point people need to stop defending ducking. Look at GGG ducking Charlo “we will never fight Charlo”, that should be railed about but people call him a “take all comers” guy. It’s dishonest.

Care to bet if Garcia takes his mandatory?

Let’s be honest though, you are biased for black fighters just like you are saying everyone is biased against black fighters. I’m not saying it’s a problem, it just clouds your judgment. You notice that you brought up Loma which wasn’t even part of this discussion and you happened to omit Tank who is the oldest and has definitely been ducking more fighters recently. Then you bring up the GGG and Charlo thing. Charlo was definitely more proven than Haney is right now so I don’t think that counts.

Again, with Teo, he literally fought the #1 p4p fighter in the world. He also fought Commey before that who was known as dangerous and a top lightweight. He hasn’t been ducking people. We will see with Kambosas but it’s not an awful fight. I would definitely agree that I would rather him fight Haney. I would love a round Robin, but we will see what Haney does if he gets a big win. If he beats Teo, Tank, or Garcia, I bet that you will go silent if he doesn’t take on the next one right after.

[Ron Swanson]

I’m picking Haney, Loma and Teo ducking him so blatantly says a lot to me. If they don’t think they can beat him why should I think they can beat him?

So you are picking the least proven of them all because you think everyone is ducking him? Let’s be honest, Haney looks to have a ton of talent and could possibly be the best of them all, but as of now, he has definitely proven the least.

Teo has tons of options so let’s wait to see what else he does. Many of his options are better options than Haney. Tank and Garcia are the same. I would love for Haney to get in the mix too, but I’m not calling a duck unless these fighters are picking weak opponents. All three of them just beat good fighters while Haney fought Gamboa.

They are picking lesser fighters though, and giving up the shot at undisputed. It says something that they would rather have less money and not be undisputed.

I agree Haney is the least proven. He’s also the one out there at every fight “fight me” and they all have reasons where they want less money and no belt.

Maybe Haney isn’t that good. He certainly didn’t look great in his last fight. But I’d like to see one of these guys step up to his challenges. And saying you’ll fight him for 10 million is saying you won’t fight him

What lesser fighters are they picking? Teo fought Loma who many people considered #1 p4p. Before that, he fought Commey who was a proven lightweight. He hasn’t picked his next fight yet so we will see. I will see your point of ducking Haney if he fights a low quality fighter next.

Tank is still technically at 130 so we will see what he does. I do agree that Tank has definitely been dodging some people. I’m not sure so much if it’s Haney but he hasn’t been fighting the best competition lately.

Garcia just fought Campbell who is a established lightweight that he could get real recognition for. Beating Haney before beating Campbell would most likely result in Haney being called overrated rather than Garcia being legit.

Again, let’s wait and see what these fighters do in their next outing first. We will also see what Haney does. It’s easy to call out top fighters when you are the unproven one. If Haney fights and beats a caliber of fighter that the other 3 have done in their last fight then he has more of a case to be their top priority. As of now, I don’t think Haney is a top opponent of any of them.

Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. He fought Campbell, Garcia fought Campbell, watch, Garcia will turn down his mandatory. We don’t need to wait for it, we know it’s coming. Teo is fighting Cambosos(spelling) for 0 belts. Teo said he needs 10 million to fight Haney, that’s a joke and everyone knows it. I’ll just keep my years and years long tradition of telling you all what will happen going. Garcia will turn down his mandatory.

At some point people need to stop defending ducking. Look at GGG ducking Charlo “we will never fight Charlo”, that should be railed about but people call him a “take all comers” guy. It’s dishonest.

Care to bet if Garcia takes his mandatory?

Let’s be honest though, you are biased for black fighters just like you are saying everyone is biased against black fighters. I’m not saying it’s a problem, it just clouds your judgment. You notice that you brought up Loma which wasn’t even part of this discussion and you happened to omit Tank who is the oldest and has definitely been ducking more fighters recently. Then you bring up the GGG and Charlo thing. Charlo was definitely more proven than Haney is right now so I don’t think that counts.

Again, with Teo, he literally fought the #1 p4p fighter in the world. He also fought Commey before that who was known as dangerous and a top lightweight. He hasn’t been ducking people. We will see with Kambosas but it’s not an awful fight. I would definitely agree that I would rather him fight Haney. I would love a round Robin, but we will see what Haney does if he gets a big win. If he beats Teo, Tank, or Garcia, I bet that you will go silent if he doesn’t take on the next one right after.

Find me defending Tanks opponents. Good luck with that. I would pick Haney over him, Loma over him, Teo over him. I pick smart fighters as a rule. Tank is neither dedicated enough or smart enough. I think he starches Garcia because Garcia’s head is there for the taking. But I also think Garcia could well beat Teo or Haney because of his speed/length/power. We’ve already seen Teo struggle with a tall fighter and Haney is an unknown.

The excuse, let’s see what Haney does after a big win is dodging the issue. It’s a never ending circle because none of the top guys will fight him. Let’s see after, let’s see after, who has he fought, who has he fought, we can’t get there if they won’t fight him. Notice you didn’t want to bet if Garcia would accept his mandatory. Let’s skip the bet, just give me your opinion. It’s been ordered, does Garcia accept his mandated fight for Haney’s belt or do they refuse the title shot? I know the answer and I think you do too so let’s hear it?

If you think Loma gave up his belt to not fight Haney(known), Teo doesn’t want undisputed to not fight Haney(known) and Garcia won’t accept his mandatory position(will be known soon) to not fight Haney. Then you have to admit there is a problem that is not Haney

[Ron Swanson]

Also, biased for black fighters because I want people to give Haney a shot and Charlo a shot? Is this really where we are? Oh, I also wanted one of the top guys to starch Wilder and Thurman to give Spence his shot.

Tell me which of those biased things shouldn’t rightly have happened?