Today In Biden Land

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Can we do this again in 2024... just with a DECENT human being and REAL leader? Instead of an egotistical, narcissistic, lying, son of a bitch blowhard?


Think Trump with an ENTIRE personality and character transplant.

Is this feasible?

No TitoFan it will NEVER happen, why?


Anyone outside the "establishment" won't be allowed to get close to winning ever again if nothing is done about how the votes are counted.


Secondly it doesn't matter WHO it is, it doesn't matter how good great grand and wonderful of a person they are in real life, they're going to be called: racist, Nazi, bigot, xenophobe, transphobe, Islamaphobe, etc.......it simply doesn't matter the content of their character they did it to George W. Bush (who was one of their own), they did it to John McCain (who was one of their own), they did it to Mitt Romney (who again is one of their own), they've done it to Trump and you can tell by the veracity of how they've handled him that he's a little different, and whoever comes after Trump they'll do it to them.


Harry Reid said "Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years" a BLATANT flat out lie and a scurrilous attack on a man who although has the personality of a warm glass of milk is a seemingly nice nonthreatening guy.


Donald Trump has ALWAYS been Donald Trump, he's ALWAYS been outspoken, he's ALWAYS been brash, he's ALWAYS been a constant promoter of his brand and his name....but the media and Establishment politicians (and dumbfucks like Beanz) want to tell me "Yeah actually he's been a Nazi this entire time".....was he a Nazi when he was helping Israel? Was he a Nazi when he was promising to help Jewish communities in New York because the leadership in NYC & NY State has been piss fucking poor? Was he a Nazi racist when he was helping HBCU's? Was he an evil bigot when he was focusing on bringing jobs and improving the socioeconomic status of Blacks & Hispanics?


You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Geraldo is so deluded by the lies from the MSM, which he needs in order to form his own "opinions", that he can't fathom a Jorgensen voter who supports Trump's constitutional right to challenge the massively, MASSIVELY fraudulent election, which Trump won easily. Low IQ, Miles was right about him. I KNEW he couldn't tolerate my vote for Jorgensen AND my support for Trump's (and everyone's, shit, even Geraldo's) rights to challenge the massively, MASSIVELY fraudulent election, and would lower himself (hard to imagine since he's about ground-level already) to ad hominem and personal attacks. It's par for the course for him, really.

The people bashing Trump and Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley do NOT, as you have rightly said @El Kabong know up from down, and are such low IQ that the MSM gaslighting and lies have them genuinely believing that it was Trump/Cruz/Hawley that are undermining democracy! If that process was undermining democracy, then why hold that Jan 6 session of contesting the slates at all? Pelosi and McConnell were perfectly OK with allowing 150 House Representatives and 13 US Senators to pair up and take 2 hours each to debate the clear evidence of massive, MASSIVE fraud... why? because that is the LAW. So now suddenly after a few Antifa and BLM and Trump supporters crashed into the Capitol and caused mayhem, Cruz and Hawley and all the other dozens of US Congressmen and Congresswomen are "agents against the state" and "colluding with insurrectionists"? HAHAHA YOU CANT MAKE THAT UP.

This was a total set-up. There were 700,000 Trump supporters peacefully protesting and what, there have been a TOTAL OF 88 ARRESTED.... but nah, yeah, nah demonize all 700,000 peaceful supporters and the Congress people who stood up to exercise their lawful rights to raise objections in the chamber, defund them, cancel them, fire them, blacklist them and re-educate them, "expel them from Congress" as DOZENS of nutjobs like AOC (she should go back to the shithole she came from) and Pressley and Omar are calling for, kick them off Twitter, Shopify, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Parler, etc.

El Kabong is right that there will never, ever be another outsider to challenge the establishment.

[TitoFan]

Can we do this again in 2024... just with a DECENT human being and REAL leader? Instead of an egotistical, narcissistic, lying, son of a bitch blowhard?


Think Trump with an ENTIRE personality and character transplant.

Is this feasible?

No TitoFan it will NEVER happen, why?


Anyone outside the "establishment" won't be allowed to get close to winning ever again if nothing is done about how the votes are counted.


Secondly it doesn't matter WHO it is, it doesn't matter how good great grand and wonderful of a person they are in real life, they're going to be called: racist, Nazi, bigot, xenophobe, transphobe, Islamaphobe, etc.......it simply doesn't matter the content of their character they did it to George W. Bush (who was one of their own), they did it to John McCain (who was one of their own), they did it to Mitt Romney (who again is one of their own), they've done it to Trump and you can tell by the veracity of how they've handled him that he's a little different, and whoever comes after Trump they'll do it to them.


Harry Reid said "Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years" a BLATANT flat out lie and a scurrilous attack on a man who although has the personality of a warm glass of milk is a seemingly nice nonthreatening guy.


Donald Trump has ALWAYS been Donald Trump, he's ALWAYS been outspoken, he's ALWAYS been brash, he's ALWAYS been a constant promoter of his brand and his name....but the media and Establishment politicians (and dumbfucks like Beanz) want to tell me "Yeah actually he's been a Nazi this entire time".....was he a Nazi when he was helping Israel? Was he a Nazi when he was promising to help Jewish communities in New York because the leadership in NYC & NY State has been piss fucking poor? Was he a Nazi racist when he was helping HBCU's? Was he an evil bigot when he was focusing on bringing jobs and improving the socioeconomic status of Blacks & Hispanics?


You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Geraldo is so deluded by the lies from the MSM, which he needs in order to form his own "opinions", that he can't fathom a Jorgensen voter who supports Trump's constitutional right to challenge the massively, MASSIVELY fraudulent election, which Trump won easily. Low IQ, Miles was right about him. I KNEW he couldn't tolerate my vote for Jorgensen AND my support for Trump's (and everyone's, shit, even Geraldo's) rights to challenge the massively, MASSIVELY fraudulent election, and would lower himself (hard to imagine since he's about ground-level already) to ad hominem and personal attacks. It's par for the course for him, really.

The people bashing Trump and Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley do NOT, as you have rightly said @El Kabong know up from down, and are such low IQ that the MSM gaslighting and lies have them genuinely believing that it was Trump/Cruz/Hawley that are undermining democracy! If that process was undermining democracy, then why hold that Jan 6 session of contesting the slates at all? Pelosi and McConnell were perfectly OK with allowing 150 House Representatives and 13 US Senators to pair up and take 2 hours each to debate the clear evidence of massive, MASSIVE fraud... why? because that is the LAW. So now suddenly after a few Antifa and BLM and Trump supporters crashed into the Capitol and caused mayhem, Cruz and Hawley and all the other dozens of US Congressmen and Congresswomen are "agents against the state" and "colluding with insurrectionists"? HAHAHA YOU CANT MAKE THAT UP.

This was a total set-up. There were 700,000 Trump supporters peacefully protesting and what, there have been a TOTAL OF 88 ARRESTED.... but nah, yeah, nah demonize all 700,000 peaceful supporters and the Congress people who stood up to exercise their lawful rights to raise objections in the chamber, defund them, cancel them, fire them, blacklist them and re-educate them, "expel them from Congress" as DOZENS of nutjobs like AOC (she should go back to the shithole she came from) and Pressley and Omar are calling for, kick them off Twitter, Shopify, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Parler, etc.

El Kabong is right that there will never, ever be another outsider to challenge the establishment.

Oh hey..... HERE'S the flip-flopping fat fuck of the forum. How you doing bro? We've been missing you. I was all worried that you had gone into a drunken stupor after January 6th came and went and...


...NOTHING of what you predicted came true.

In fact, I had a little pool going on what had become of you. My money was on you flip-flopping again to the other side, since that's all you do.

[Master]

There has been no massive fraudulent election. Stop making it up and accept Trump lost.

[Kirkland Laing]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

[Spicoli]

Joe needs to shave his damn arms ffs. Saw that clip yesterday and he's borderline elder Chia Pet. But Biden putting on a jacket has to considered more athletic than anything Trump can manage waddling over to a golf tee. I thought he was going to quote Clint Eastwood at one point

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Biden's "incoming" CHairman of HOmeland Security says Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz should be put on no-fly list and demonetized...... nahh, nothing like McCarthyism

[SlimTrae]

These last two pages belong on the other Biden thread. Another derailment where its all about the wrong of the left.

A Pelosi video? Here, for what? Nothing. @Master , close this thread.
PLEASE.
They already got threads where they blame everybody but themselves. Can't have a political debate at all here.

[SlimTrae]

@Master


please , don't give them the right to troll another thread.

[edit]

Well, they do what they do. It's what some do.

[TitoFan]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

[Kirkland Laing]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

[TitoFan]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

Ok so the whole argument hinges on your use of the word "majority", where you probably feel there are more of those who fit the description than I do.

But if there are more than I would hope, it's due in large part to Trump's exploits during the last four years. I would venture to say that more than just a few previously stoic GOP voters allowed themselves to be worked up into a lather by Trump. Four years of stoking the flames of division are nothing to sneeze at. When you've had a rah-rah President holding rally after rally, demonizing the other side to the point where chants against lawmakers are smugly encouraged... it's tough for everyone to resist going over to "the dark side." Still... Republicans are just as passionate about their beliefs as Democrats are of theirs. Anyone who they feel is going to stand up to the other side is just fine by them. Unfortunately, Trump wasn't exactly what the doctor ordered. During his dictatorship er... presidency... many GOP lawmakers turned in their backbones and submitted to his whip... thinking only of their own political futures. Nauseous I know... but then again what else to expect from a sniveling weasel like Lindsey Graham.

Here in our own forum. You have a Trumpeteer who gleefully applauded the movement of thousands of troops to the Southern border (in preparation for the Great Invasion that never materialized) and said... and I quote... "mow down the toothless peasants." That was before he did an inexplicable "flip-flop" for a few months, and is now back foaming at the mouth and acting in a way that would make Rudy Giuliani proud. If your description is about someone like that, then I agree wholeheartedly. But I still feel there are Republicans who became disillusioned with Trump somewhere along the way. It could've been any number of things. His gross COVID mismanagement and his election fraud lathering of his troops were just the tip of the iceberg.

You feel the runup to the 2024 campaign will be a certain way. I'm not so sure. Republicans as I said stand by their beliefs. But they've also seen someone they THOUGHT was going to champion their ideals, literally tear the Party to shreds. Nepotism, lying out the yin-yang, unfulfilled promises, vindictive politics that would make any swamp creature blush, etc, etc, etc. How can they, in good conscience, look for ANOTHER Donald Trump for 2024? Doesn't sound logical to me. If you're a diehard Republican, with conservative views... and you want a strong candidate to sway Republicans and moderate Democrats alike.... you don't look for another TV personality clown. You look for a strong candidate... and that is NOT a Donald Trump clone.

By the way, anger and fear are not sole properties of Republicans. Plenty of extremist Democrats own those as well. Trump has basically imploded an already partisan-divided America and turned into a hatred-filled cesspool, from which swamp creatures are only too happy to escape.

[El Kabong]

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

Yeah not "stupid" just "ignorant"....you know like the kind of people who would impeach an outgoing President AFTER their term had ended. And who would weaponize their emotions in order to do so.



AOC is going around telling people "Like OMG I was TOTES almost killed".....and this is your stance Kirk? The Republicans use emotion and fear? Trump has been called "literally Hitler" for 4 fucking years so come off it...or double & triple down on it. You know, whatever you feel is right.

[Kirkland Laing]

Ok so the whole argument hinges on your use of the word "majority", where you probably feel there are more of those who fit the description than I do.

But if there are more than I would hope, it's due in large part to Trump's exploits during the last four years. I would venture to say that more than just a few previously stoic GOP voters allowed themselves to be worked up into a lather by Trump. Four years of stoking the flames of division are nothing to sneeze at. When you've had a rah-rah President holding rally after rally, demonizing the other side to the point where chants against lawmakers are smugly encouraged... it's tough for everyone to resist going over to "the dark side." Still... Republicans are just as passionate about their beliefs as Democrats are of theirs. Anyone who they feel is going to stand up to the other side is just fine by them. Unfortunately, Trump wasn't exactly what the doctor ordered. During his dictatorship er... presidency... many GOP lawmakers turned in their backbones and submitted to his whip... thinking only of their own political futures. Nauseous I know... but then again what else to expect from a sniveling weasel like Lindsey Graham.

Here in our own forum. You have a Trumpeteer who gleefully applauded the movement of thousands of troops to the Southern border (in preparation for the Great Invasion that never materialized) and said... and I quote... "mow down the toothless peasants." That was before he did an inexplicable "flip-flop" for a few months, and is now back foaming at the mouth and acting in a way that would make Rudy Giuliani proud. If your description is about someone like that, then I agree wholeheartedly. But I still feel there are Republicans who became disillusioned with Trump somewhere along the way. It could've been any number of things. His gross COVID mismanagement and his election fraud lathering of his troops were just the tip of the iceberg.

You feel the runup to the 2024 campaign will be a certain way. I'm not so sure. Republicans as I said stand by their beliefs. But they've also seen someone they THOUGHT was going to champion their ideals, literally tear the Party to shreds. Nepotism, lying out the yin-yang, unfulfilled promises, vindictive politics that would make any swamp creature blush, etc, etc, etc. How can they, in good conscience, look for ANOTHER Donald Trump for 2024? Doesn't sound logical to me. If you're a diehard Republican, with conservative views... and you want a strong candidate to sway Republicans and moderate Democrats alike.... you don't look for another TV personality clown. You look for a strong candidate... and that is NOT a Donald Trump clone.

By the way, anger and fear are not sole properties of Republicans. Plenty of extremist Democrats own those as well. Trump has basically imploded an already partisan-divided America and turned into a hatred-filled cesspool, from which swamp creatures are only too happy to escape.

You're saying that the majority of the GOP after the last four years won't want another four years of the same thing. That Trump was either too much of a soap opera for them, too divisive, too much of a dictator.

Well here's a poll of GOP voters that came out today. This poll was taken after he attempted a coup last week:


In an Axios-Ipsos poll taken Tuesday and yesterday:

• 64% of Republicans said they support Trump's recent behavior.
• 57% of Republicans said Trump should be the 2024 GOP candidate.
• Only 17% think he should be removed from office.

House and Senate Republicans tell me they strongly believe Trump will remain a force in the party's 2022 and 2024 races — even if he were to be convicted in the forthcoming Senate trial, and barred from holding federal office himself.

A majority of Republicans still think Trump was right to challenge his election loss, support him, don’t blame him for the Capitol mob and want him to be the Republican nominee in 2024.

In the poll which I now can't fucking find Trump is at 57%, Pence is at 14% and Junior is at six. That's the top three candidates. And that's a week after a coup attempt. Four years from now Trump will be over sixty and the voters who would rather have his son will be right behind him. So a solid two in three GOP voters are Trump voters and absent being banned from office or a trip to Rikers Trump is going to walk the 2024 nomination. If he can't be with us tonight his son can.

Republicans are passionate about their beliefs but their beliefs aren't the ones they claim to have. Christian conservatives who went crazy over a blowjob don't give a shit if the president knocks up porn stars while his third wife is pregnant. Small government free market conservatives don't give a shit when Trump puts tariffs on a vast array of goods and hands out gigantic government subsidies to favoured domestic businesses. Picking winners and losers twelve years ago was bringing socialism to America and literally going to destroy the economy but now it's government policy and actually we support it. People who spent the previous eight years terrified of an impericla president imposing his will and ending democracy in America are now right behind a White House using threats and extortion to force GOP representatives to vote for their dictator and to use threats of violence from his supporters to make his political opponents back down:


https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ud/6644005002/

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/statu...90567202029569

GOP elected officials' lives are in danger because of how they voted:

https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/sta...39174098685955

And fucking Lindsay Graham outdoes himself here. Drop impeachment or the country gets it. This cunt broke with Trump after the coup attempt, said I'm done with him, went back to his state and couldn't believe it when he found the base were still supporting Trump, came back to Washington a Trump supporter again:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/statu...54964683751425


And so on.

The vast majority of these fuckers don't give a shit about anything other than white people remaining at the top of the tree and those other people being kept in their place. That's the be all and end all for at least two out of three GOP voters. White power baby. White power and whatever Fox News have been banging on about recently.

This is what the Republican party is. Just watch the next four years. Maybe we should bookmark this eh. Come back and revisit it every year and see how we're getting on.