Today In Biden Land

[SlimTrae]

@Master


please , don't give them the right to troll another thread.

Merged the 2 threads, wonder if it will acheive 450 pages as the Trump one has?

Your efficient! THX. LOL, Tried to edit it. Oh well.

I'd wager in 4 years (if USA still exists) the house it will reach 800 pages at least.
Unlike the Trump thread where his supporters may have contributed 5-15 pages out that 450 about him? At least 500 pages will be directly Biden by the AntiBiden crew.
150 pages of Pelosi, Obama, Harris, sprinkled in with a bit of whataboutism via (Clinton).
And they will breath fire like a dragon on anyone who dares mention Donald (especially me).

[TitoFan]

@Master


please , don't give them the right to troll another thread.

Merged the 2 threads, wonder if it will acheive 450 pages as the Trump one has?

Only if the Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF) goes on a mission to overtake the Trump thread.

[Master]

@Master


please , don't give them the right to troll another thread.

Merged the 2 threads, wonder if it will acheive 450 pages as the Trump one has?

Only if the Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF) goes on a mission to overtake the Trump thread.

I am sure he will do his best, Biden is not in office yet and this has 19 pages already.

[El Kabong]

Halfway. Just halfway, Kabong. Halfway as in... yeah you might be right about some things. Trump does NOT walk on water. Trump MAY have fucked up some things over the last four years. But never mind.

That is "halfway" if and ONLY if the Left is also held to account. Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang anyone? Yes Eric Swalwell was suckered by a CHINESE SPY and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has named him as one of the managers of the impeachment.

Now here's some news. Not everyone who hates Trump is in favor of yet another impeachment try. But does this matter? No. It all becomes wrapped up in the narrative that everyone who's not fond of Trump fits in the same boat.

It's the same ol' same ol'. The only thing we can all depend on is the utilization of the other side's extreme as a weapon against the ENTIRE other side, including the more moderate or centrists in the group. Because it's too difficult to argue with moderates or centrists (I call them "real world-ists"). It's easier to pick off the low hanging fruit of the deranged (and there's some fine, deranged people on BOTH sides), and use THAT as the argument against the other side. It's transparent, it's predictable, it's hopeless to argue against.

Biden's gonna have enough on his plate just trying to pick up the pieces and move on. You think he's even entertaining the thought of latching onto trying to "get back at Trump"? Unfortunately, that doesn't speak to the rest of the Democrats. I'm sure there are plenty of them with huge axes to grind. All I can say is let's see how this all plays out.

Absolutely he's going to be 100% focused on "getting back at Trump" because Biden's presidency will be a failure and that failure will need a scapegoat and the media, establishment politicians, and Big Tech are primed to place the crosshairs on Trump and his supporters.





I await my train ride to the gulag.

[TitoFan]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

[TitoFan]

@Master


please , don't give them the right to troll another thread.

Merged the 2 threads, wonder if it will acheive 450 pages as the Trump one has?

Only if the Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF) goes on a mission to overtake the Trump thread.

I am sure he will do his best, Biden is not in office yet and this has 19 pages already.

It won't catch up, though. Trump himself will do everything he can to stay relevant in some fashion after he's evicted from the White House and the Trump thread will live on.

(If not... I'll bump it every now and then).

[El Kabong]

Critical Race Theory is not only bullshit it's got people working to erode the very bedrock foundation of this great nation.




But hey at least evil Drumpf is gone, at least Orange Man is gone!

[NoSavingByTheBell]

So true. Frightening brainwashing and messaging. And I will defend Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution "Section 1 provides that each state chooses members of the Electoral College in a manner directed by each state's respective legislature, with the states granted electors equal to their combined representation in both houses of Congress."

State election commissioned pushed thru illegal changes WITHOUT the legislatures, so many DIFFERENT changes, without complying with the law....

If we allow that to slide, then we no longer have a Constitution. Just skip it, fuck it, let Whitmer and Kemp and Doocey decide from now on, and let the fear of doxxing and surrounding your house at night by angry leftwing mobs like they did in Michigan with those 2 officials who held off on certifying due to what they saw as fraud and illegality. Its mob rule now. Its 1917. Its Cancel Culture. Erase them from history. Put them on no-fly lists. Demonetize them.

Defending the Constitution and voting for whomever, is apples and oranges. Mutually exclusive. But that takes more than a double digit IQ to fathom.

[Kirkland Laing]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

[TitoFan]

You've all been lied to so often you don't know up from down.

Says the man who believes what Donald Trump tells him and also believes Trump is about to vanquish a gigantic global Satanic paedophile conspiracy that runs the world.

Some points here.

GOP voters will never nominate an establishment type Republican candidate again. Imagine the most perfect possible GOP candidate who would have walked the nomination in the 2000s. A combination of the best parts of Bush (who was an adored cult leader at the same level as Trump at one point), McCain and Romney. That candidate wouldn't even get twenty percent of the vote in the 2024 GOP primary.

GOP voters now want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies, the "commies" and "socialists" and politically correct liberals and so on. They'll vote for a Trump or a politician who can most authentically impersonate Donald Trump.

So you're safe Lyle. There'll be a cult leader who comes along to replace Trump, maybe with the same name even, maybe Tucker or some other clown, but it'll be somebody you can click your heels in front of and salute like the rest of the cult followers.

But here's the thing all you absolute fucking morons don't get. Trump or whoever the next cult leader is are going to be efectively exactly the same as the Bush/McCain/Romney candidate I mentioned above, just with added Trumpy grievance politics. You've just had four years of a man who picked your pocket, who campaigned about a rigged economy and then spent four year rigging it even further in favour of the wealthy. Endless regulations to help business and increase business profits at the expense of workers and massive permanent corporate tax cuts for the wealthy and pennies that phase out after a few years for everybody else. The whole enterprise of upward redistribution of wealth obscured by four years of culture war bullshit that kept your tiny minds animated and distracted while the looting went on.

Donald Trump just pissed on you and told you it was raining. You spent the last four years ranting and raving about meaningless culture war bullshit that the government has no real power to deal with anyway while they got on with the stuff they do have power over and rigged the system even further their way. And you fuckers are so clueless about what's going on you can actually accuse other people of being lied to so much they don't know up from down. You've got it the wrong way round thickhead.

I'd like to disagree on some points.

I'm not entirely anti-GOP. Heaven knows there are plenty of liberal policies I do not agree with, and lean toward the conservative side. But that's neither here nor there. My main point is that not every GOP voter is going to "want somebody who will go to war with and hurt their enemies". There are many thousands (couldn't bring myself to say "millions") of GOP voters out there who are just as disappointed in Trump as the rest of us are. As I said before, many voters want someone who will be anti-big business and will stand up for the little guy... but they saw enough of Trump to bring them back to their senses. Remember... there was Trump BEFORE the pandemic, and there is now Trump AFTER the pandemic. Many Trump voters from 2016 were utterly dismayed by the callousness and lack of leadership displayed by Trump for all to see. That may have been the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Well... for mostly all except a few notable exceptions, like our very own Forum Flip-Flopper (FFF)).

Giving most Americans the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna venture to say most Republicans do not want another "cult leader." They got enough of that medicine for four years. And how did that work out for them in the end? Regardless of how splintered and disjointed the Democratic Party may seem at times, with the extremists providing cannon fodder for the Republicans at every turn, the GOP has hit the ball out of the park. What used to be the "more united Party" is now in shambles. You've got the decent GOP members who only want their policies and platforms at least considered..... and you've got the ones who've decided to go down with the burning ship.

The more time passes, the more damage extremists do to this country. All they do is provide the ammunition for the opposing Party to latch on to and say, "See? Look at what the Dems/Reps want to do to your country."

This election, maybe for the first time in history, had little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats, and EVERYTHING to do with Trumpers vs. non-Trumpers. It was all about Trump. Hence, the historic voter turnout.

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

Ok so the whole argument hinges on your use of the word "majority", where you probably feel there are more of those who fit the description than I do.

But if there are more than I would hope, it's due in large part to Trump's exploits during the last four years. I would venture to say that more than just a few previously stoic GOP voters allowed themselves to be worked up into a lather by Trump. Four years of stoking the flames of division are nothing to sneeze at. When you've had a rah-rah President holding rally after rally, demonizing the other side to the point where chants against lawmakers are smugly encouraged... it's tough for everyone to resist going over to "the dark side." Still... Republicans are just as passionate about their beliefs as Democrats are of theirs. Anyone who they feel is going to stand up to the other side is just fine by them. Unfortunately, Trump wasn't exactly what the doctor ordered. During his dictatorship er... presidency... many GOP lawmakers turned in their backbones and submitted to his whip... thinking only of their own political futures. Nauseous I know... but then again what else to expect from a sniveling weasel like Lindsey Graham.

Here in our own forum. You have a Trumpeteer who gleefully applauded the movement of thousands of troops to the Southern border (in preparation for the Great Invasion that never materialized) and said... and I quote... "mow down the toothless peasants." That was before he did an inexplicable "flip-flop" for a few months, and is now back foaming at the mouth and acting in a way that would make Rudy Giuliani proud. If your description is about someone like that, then I agree wholeheartedly. But I still feel there are Republicans who became disillusioned with Trump somewhere along the way. It could've been any number of things. His gross COVID mismanagement and his election fraud lathering of his troops were just the tip of the iceberg.

You feel the runup to the 2024 campaign will be a certain way. I'm not so sure. Republicans as I said stand by their beliefs. But they've also seen someone they THOUGHT was going to champion their ideals, literally tear the Party to shreds. Nepotism, lying out the yin-yang, unfulfilled promises, vindictive politics that would make any swamp creature blush, etc, etc, etc. How can they, in good conscience, look for ANOTHER Donald Trump for 2024? Doesn't sound logical to me. If you're a diehard Republican, with conservative views... and you want a strong candidate to sway Republicans and moderate Democrats alike.... you don't look for another TV personality clown. You look for a strong candidate... and that is NOT a Donald Trump clone.

By the way, anger and fear are not sole properties of Republicans. Plenty of extremist Democrats own those as well. Trump has basically imploded an already partisan-divided America and turned into a hatred-filled cesspool, from which swamp creatures are only too happy to escape.

[El Kabong]

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

Yeah not "stupid" just "ignorant"....you know like the kind of people who would impeach an outgoing President AFTER their term had ended. And who would weaponize their emotions in order to do so.



AOC is going around telling people "Like OMG I was TOTES almost killed".....and this is your stance Kirk? The Republicans use emotion and fear? Trump has been called "literally Hitler" for 4 fucking years so come off it...or double & triple down on it. You know, whatever you feel is right.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

It's sickening what the fisa court, the mainstream media, and Obama and Clinton holdovers have done to Trump for the last five years. Abuse from the very beginning as he came down the escalator. Non-stop abuse and projecting and gaslighting for 5 years. Has to be the toughest dude you will ever observe --- THE INCESSANT AMOUNT OF HARANGUING, GASLIGHTING, BLAME SHIFTING, AND LYING that the heaped on him everyday for 5 years.... None of those little weasels could take even 10% of that and still be able to run a country. They couldn't even run a lemonade stand and take 10% of that abuse for more than a week.

From the beginning it has been clear and this has all been taken out of Saul alinsky's playbook:. YOU BLAME YOUR OPPONENT FOR THE VERY SAME THING THAT YOU YOURSELF ARE GUILTY OF.

It's a very effective tactic. But the truth always comes out in the end. Every secret shall be made known.

[TitoFan]

Well... so far you've been on point about the results of the election... January 6th... and soon-to-be on point on January 20th.

So I see no reason to doubt your insightful predictions of the future.

[Kirkland Laing]

Ok so the whole argument hinges on your use of the word "majority", where you probably feel there are more of those who fit the description than I do.

But if there are more than I would hope, it's due in large part to Trump's exploits during the last four years. I would venture to say that more than just a few previously stoic GOP voters allowed themselves to be worked up into a lather by Trump. Four years of stoking the flames of division are nothing to sneeze at. When you've had a rah-rah President holding rally after rally, demonizing the other side to the point where chants against lawmakers are smugly encouraged... it's tough for everyone to resist going over to "the dark side." Still... Republicans are just as passionate about their beliefs as Democrats are of theirs. Anyone who they feel is going to stand up to the other side is just fine by them. Unfortunately, Trump wasn't exactly what the doctor ordered. During his dictatorship er... presidency... many GOP lawmakers turned in their backbones and submitted to his whip... thinking only of their own political futures. Nauseous I know... but then again what else to expect from a sniveling weasel like Lindsey Graham.

Here in our own forum. You have a Trumpeteer who gleefully applauded the movement of thousands of troops to the Southern border (in preparation for the Great Invasion that never materialized) and said... and I quote... "mow down the toothless peasants." That was before he did an inexplicable "flip-flop" for a few months, and is now back foaming at the mouth and acting in a way that would make Rudy Giuliani proud. If your description is about someone like that, then I agree wholeheartedly. But I still feel there are Republicans who became disillusioned with Trump somewhere along the way. It could've been any number of things. His gross COVID mismanagement and his election fraud lathering of his troops were just the tip of the iceberg.

You feel the runup to the 2024 campaign will be a certain way. I'm not so sure. Republicans as I said stand by their beliefs. But they've also seen someone they THOUGHT was going to champion their ideals, literally tear the Party to shreds. Nepotism, lying out the yin-yang, unfulfilled promises, vindictive politics that would make any swamp creature blush, etc, etc, etc. How can they, in good conscience, look for ANOTHER Donald Trump for 2024? Doesn't sound logical to me. If you're a diehard Republican, with conservative views... and you want a strong candidate to sway Republicans and moderate Democrats alike.... you don't look for another TV personality clown. You look for a strong candidate... and that is NOT a Donald Trump clone.

By the way, anger and fear are not sole properties of Republicans. Plenty of extremist Democrats own those as well. Trump has basically imploded an already partisan-divided America and turned into a hatred-filled cesspool, from which swamp creatures are only too happy to escape.

You're saying that the majority of the GOP after the last four years won't want another four years of the same thing. That Trump was either too much of a soap opera for them, too divisive, too much of a dictator.

Well here's a poll of GOP voters that came out today. This poll was taken after he attempted a coup last week:


In an Axios-Ipsos poll taken Tuesday and yesterday:

• 64% of Republicans said they support Trump's recent behavior.
• 57% of Republicans said Trump should be the 2024 GOP candidate.
• Only 17% think he should be removed from office.

House and Senate Republicans tell me they strongly believe Trump will remain a force in the party's 2022 and 2024 races — even if he were to be convicted in the forthcoming Senate trial, and barred from holding federal office himself.

A majority of Republicans still think Trump was right to challenge his election loss, support him, don’t blame him for the Capitol mob and want him to be the Republican nominee in 2024.

In the poll which I now can't fucking find Trump is at 57%, Pence is at 14% and Junior is at six. That's the top three candidates. And that's a week after a coup attempt. Four years from now Trump will be over sixty and the voters who would rather have his son will be right behind him. So a solid two in three GOP voters are Trump voters and absent being banned from office or a trip to Rikers Trump is going to walk the 2024 nomination. If he can't be with us tonight his son can.

Republicans are passionate about their beliefs but their beliefs aren't the ones they claim to have. Christian conservatives who went crazy over a blowjob don't give a shit if the president knocks up porn stars while his third wife is pregnant. Small government free market conservatives don't give a shit when Trump puts tariffs on a vast array of goods and hands out gigantic government subsidies to favoured domestic businesses. Picking winners and losers twelve years ago was bringing socialism to America and literally going to destroy the economy but now it's government policy and actually we support it. People who spent the previous eight years terrified of an impericla president imposing his will and ending democracy in America are now right behind a White House using threats and extortion to force GOP representatives to vote for their dictator and to use threats of violence from his supporters to make his political opponents back down:


https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ud/6644005002/

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/statu...90567202029569

GOP elected officials' lives are in danger because of how they voted:

https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/sta...39174098685955

And fucking Lindsay Graham outdoes himself here. Drop impeachment or the country gets it. This cunt broke with Trump after the coup attempt, said I'm done with him, went back to his state and couldn't believe it when he found the base were still supporting Trump, came back to Washington a Trump supporter again:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/statu...54964683751425


And so on.

The vast majority of these fuckers don't give a shit about anything other than white people remaining at the top of the tree and those other people being kept in their place. That's the be all and end all for at least two out of three GOP voters. White power baby. White power and whatever Fox News have been banging on about recently.

This is what the Republican party is. Just watch the next four years. Maybe we should bookmark this eh. Come back and revisit it every year and see how we're getting on.

[Kirkland Laing]

The majority of GOP voters want a Strong Daddy who will fuck up their enemies. They don't care about rule of law or democracy or anything else. If Trump had managed to use the military or an armed mob to stay in power, if he declared himself president for life, they'd be doing handstands. They've spent decades being radicalised by Fox News and they're only going to get worse. This is not all Republicans but it's a majority of the base.

Just watch. Just watch how things progress over the next four years and watch the 2024 GOP presidential nomination contest. Fox and talk radio and associated stuff feeds them two things. Fear and anger, normally both at the same time. So you now have tens of millions of fearful, angry, breathtakingly ignorant* people who want a strong daddy to make their enemies go away.


*Notice I didn't say stupid. A lot of them obviously are but a lot aren't. But they are ignorant. They know nothing about how their political system works or how the country is run or other countries are run of socialism or any of the other things they blather on about. They basically just have the last few days in their heads of whatever conservative media is amping up the outrage about. The level of political sophistication with these people is nonexistent. No thought, just emotions. Fear and anger press their buttons and they're the only two buttons you need with them.





Plus ca change and all that.

Yeah not "stupid" just "ignorant"....you know like the kind of people who would impeach an outgoing President AFTER their term had ended. And who would weaponize their emotions in order to do so.



AOC is going around telling people "Like OMG I was TOTES almost killed".....and this is your stance Kirk? The Republicans use emotion and fear? Trump has been called "literally Hitler" for 4 fucking years so come off it...or double & triple down on it. You know, whatever you feel is right.

Trump has been impeached and he's still president. His trial will happen after he leaves office. That's just due to time constraints. Weaponise their emotions? What does that mean exactly? Maybe they just impeached him because he attempted a fucking coup of the American government?

And a young woman recounting having to hide for hours in fear of her life while thousands of armed, fearful, angry paranoid nutcases searched the building she was hiding in is according to you the same thing as a president and a slick propaganda operation spending years filling the heads of millions of people with shit and making them fearful and angry to the extent that they'd attempt an armed insurrection after being fed a pack of lies over an election loss. You absolute fucking clown.