Seriously..... how safe will Biden be?

[TitoFan]

Which is why there were so many right wing violent protests when Obama was President....oh wait, no that was BLM too!


Yes Kabong! And you're furthering my point! BLM doesn't care who's President. They've got a grievance... and very GOOD, LEGIT grievance... and they've protested since before Trump. But mostly during Trump's tenure have these protests "suddenly" have become violent, with BLM'ers I guess becoming Hulk's from Bruce Banners and deciding to burn down buildings just because. Why would the right wing protest under Obama? Were an outlandish number of young white guys being murdered by black cops?



Michael Reinoehl, Willem Van Spronsen, Conor Betts, Charles Landeros, and then there's the folks who died in the Chaz and the folks who died in the riots and who did those killings? but I can tell you who didn't. Heck the guy in El Paso said he was following the guy who shot up Christchurch New Zealand and said the ideas he had came well before Trump.

It may take a while to put Trump in proper perspective, but he's not the baddy he's been made out to be. If he's treated like he IS by the Democrats, Republicans, Media, Big Tech...then the next "populist" that has a groundswell of support is going to be more extreme, not less and that's "populist" as in the Left OR the Right. And THAT will be something to really be fearful of and worried about.


Don't do that, Kabong. Please don't do that. Do not attempt to deflect the blame from Trump's incendiary rhetoric toward Latinos moving toward the Southern border, which resulted in untold amounts of hatred from already mentally sick people, such as the guy from the El Paso shootings. Do you believe what he says at face value? I don't. If a Trump fan, which I'm sure he is, he's going to protect his hero from being associated with his act. Let's be real here. It's just amazing there weren't MORE El Paso's during that time. Plus, the effects of that are long-lasting. It probably woke up the semi-dormant racism in thousands of people. And we continue to disagree on Trump's character. You say he's not the baddie he's made out to be. I feel he's even worse than that. Kabong... you know as well as I do... you can't separate character from leadership in any position, particularly that of POTUS. Trump's character was unfit (IMO) to be President BEFORE he was elected. The fact he was in fact elected doesn't mean that some of us didn't see it coming. You see the next "populist" as extreme. The same thought as Kirkland on another post. I don't necessarily see it that way. I'd rather be optimistic and say people learn from experiences. Many of those who voted for Trump in 2016 were DEEPLY disappointed in what they actually got. It's not so far-fetched to say that, is it? People make mistakes, miscalculations. Maybe next time people choose someone who will stand up to big business, they'll be more careful in the type of person they choose.


If Antifa was held accountable for their actions there would be no need for the Proud Boys.

Forget Proud Boys for a second. I have a bigger problem with White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, etc. They exist because they always have. I don't condemn the Proud Boys anymore than I condemn Antifa. Action... reaction. Everyone's always going to point the finger at the other side. But the other organizations... those have no reason to be allowed to exist.


Yes and I appreciate our disagreements that we're able to have them minus the name calling, the harsh rhetoric, and ill feelings. I appreciate your taking the time to respond to me thoughtfully and respectfully.

As I've always said... we disagree vehemently at times... but we maintain the civility and respect that should always be a part of this forum. That being said, I respect a man who has a firm opinion, even one directly opposed to my own. What I find hard to fathom or accept is a grown man with opinions that shift with the wind. Changes of opinion are normal and in fact desirable in many instances. But constant going back and forth is a sign of mental weakness. 'Nough said.




Trump being in office or out of office isn't the concern I have my man. The concern is the same as it ever was, it's Liberty (the side I'm on and you're on and most people like to believe they are on) vs Tyranny and I'm not saying you're on that side, but this is a CULTURAL issue, it's a CURRENT EVENTS issue, and it's going to be not so great for about half of the nation...and then it'll be not so great for half of that half and so on and so on until we're on the Chinese system. And maybe that seems a long winding trip down a crazy road, but I see what Big Tech did to Trump, I see what Big Tech did to Parler, I see China and their Social Credit system (aided & abetted by Big Tech) and that's our future brother. THAT and CRT critical race theory and Intersectionality...those will continue to chip away more and more at what America was founded on and has been aspiring to be. Trump was working towards ending those teachings...and now Biden and the Left re-embraces them.

If you don't know what I'm talking about just study up on the Cultural Revolution because THAT is what I'm talking about.

I've been arguing this point with some relatives of mine who live in the States and who also happen to be Trump fans . The movements you describe are real, and worthy of worry. I'm not discounting that. This movement toward control and surveillance is something that merits thought and preemptive actions. However, and once again we'll disagree... Trump was not the man for the job, if that's what you're looking for. More than ever, this country needs a LEADER. A leader who checks all the boxes of a leader. I've worked in industry for a long time... and I've been exposed to TRUE leaders, as well as "leaders" who only have the title but rule by fear, not respect nor example. Trump has NEVER been a leader. He didn't make himself from the ground up. He inherited his riches. His report card before being POTUS isn't exactly a glittering example of what a successful leader should be. His personality in incredibly deficient, to the point where even some of his own family members have felt compelled to spill their guts. Why go over this all over again? I've said it enough times. Trump led by fear... and if you didn't cow down to his every ridiculous whim... he'd boot you out the door. Leaders surround themselves with competent people, not kiss-asses.


We have a system. The system works because people trust it. If people question it and come to no longer trust it what happens? The system fails. And then what? Chaos, violence, a struggle for power. Very serious consequences, DIRE consequences.

So we've got a large group of people and they don't trust the Election. What do you do? Not answer them? Tell them "sit down, shut up you lost"? Or do you provide evidence of a clean election? Provide more transparency, provide VOTER ID, provide reasons for those doubters to trust you. That's not being done, it's not even on the radar and therefore Biden's Presidency is already on very thin ice owing to no fault of mine, no benefit of mine or my family's.

What good came of torpedoing Trump's term? It hamstrung what he was able to accomplish....and Biden should expect no less. It isn't as if the Democrats have or will operate in good faith.


One of the managers of this impeachment Rep. Eric Swalwell slept with/was compromised by a Chinese spy.....does that fill you with confidence? It doesn't fill me with any.

I can argue that the onus was on Trump and his cohorts to PROVE that the election was fraudulent. That's the way it works in the justice system, right? Innocent until proven guilty. Hey... I wouldn't have minded a little more effort on the part of the other side toward appeasing the hearsays and the rumors. But I'm not gonna latch on to something that is quickly becoming a distant cry in the night. Trump's closest allies are dropping like flies, many of them quietly telling him to concede. Why keep dragging out the inevitable?

Damn... I had to get rid of the original quotes (10,000 character limit). Hope it all makes sense.

[El Kabong]

Yes Kabong! And you're furthering my point! BLM doesn't care who's President. They've got a grievance... and very GOOD, LEGIT grievance... and they've protested since before Trump. But mostly during Trump's tenure have these protests "suddenly" have become violent, with BLM'ers I guess becoming Hulk's from Bruce Banners and deciding to burn down buildings just because. Why would the right wing protest under Obama? Were an outlandish number of young white guys being murdered by black cops?

Oh, my grievance isn't valid, ok then. I guess I'll take my seat. My bad.

[TitoFan]

Yes Kabong! And you're furthering my point! BLM doesn't care who's President. They've got a grievance... and very GOOD, LEGIT grievance... and they've protested since before Trump. But mostly during Trump's tenure have these protests "suddenly" have become violent, with BLM'ers I guess becoming Hulk's from Bruce Banners and deciding to burn down buildings just because. Why would the right wing protest under Obama? Were an outlandish number of young white guys being murdered by black cops?

Oh, my grievance isn't valid, ok then. I guess I'll take my seat. My bad.

I'm afraid you lost me.

You want to compare the Capitol riots with the BLM protests. I've given you all the explanations behind my beliefs. Why have you gone off on this strange tack?

[El Kabong]

Yes Kabong! And you're furthering my point! BLM doesn't care who's President. They've got a grievance... and very GOOD, LEGIT grievance... and they've protested since before Trump. But mostly during Trump's tenure have these protests "suddenly" have become violent, with BLM'ers I guess becoming Hulk's from Bruce Banners and deciding to burn down buildings just because. Why would the right wing protest under Obama? Were an outlandish number of young white guys being murdered by black cops?

Oh, my grievance isn't valid, ok then. I guess I'll take my seat. My bad.

I'm afraid you lost me.

You want to compare the Capitol riots with the BLM protests. I've given you all the explanations behind my beliefs. Why have you gone off on this strange tack?

You've said BLM grievances GOOD, LEGIT and then you've just dismissed the concerns of about 75 million people.

I'd go down the old road of "Let me tell you about BLM" but I'm not going to, it's a waste of time. And since the election was SO clean, SO free and fair that I'm not allowed to look at it let alone question it. There's precious little to discuss now.....other than concern trolling about the safety of President Elect Mr. Magoo.

So yeah, I'll tap out on this one.

[TitoFan]

Yes Kabong! And you're furthering my point! BLM doesn't care who's President. They've got a grievance... and very GOOD, LEGIT grievance... and they've protested since before Trump. But mostly during Trump's tenure have these protests "suddenly" have become violent, with BLM'ers I guess becoming Hulk's from Bruce Banners and deciding to burn down buildings just because. Why would the right wing protest under Obama? Were an outlandish number of young white guys being murdered by black cops?

Oh, my grievance isn't valid, ok then. I guess I'll take my seat. My bad.

I'm afraid you lost me.

You want to compare the Capitol riots with the BLM protests. I've given you all the explanations behind my beliefs. Why have you gone off on this strange tack?

You've said BLM grievances GOOD, LEGIT and then you've just dismissed the concerns of about 75 million people.

I'd go down the old road of "Let me tell you about BLM" but I'm not going to, it's a waste of time. And since the election was SO clean, SO free and fair that I'm not allowed to look at it let alone question it. There's precious little to discuss now.....other than concern trolling about the safety of President Elect Mr. Magoo.

So yeah, I'll tap out on this one.

"Dismissed........ the concerns........ of about......... 75 million people." Wow. You got all that from my defending BLM's cause to you, huh?

Yeah ok... we'll just leave it at that.

[El Kabong]

"Dismissed........ the concerns........ of about......... 75 million people." Wow. You got all that from my defending BLM's cause to you, huh?

Yeah ok... we'll just leave it at that.

You said Black Lives Matters grievances were GOOD and LEGIT. You said nothing of the Trump supporters and so I'm lead to believe A) You don't think their worries/concerns are "good" or "legit" OR B ) You simply don't care what they think.


As for Black Lives Matter, the organization (not the mere idea of Black Lives Mattering, which they do, and I agree with), the organization is a two headed snake for the Democrats it's first and foremost a slush fund for the DNC....how much money did BLM raise and where did that money go? It went from ActBlue directly to JOE BIDEN's campaign. Secondly it's an agitation group run by (and I'll quote BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors here) "We are trained Marxists", but perhaps that means little to you, it means a great deal to me. Furthermore in an interview with DemocracyNow! she said:
PATRISSE KHAN-CULLORS: Well, I’m a trained organizer. And so, I think sometimes people think that because Black Lives Matter is the biggest thing, that that’s the first thing I ever did. And it’s not. I was trained knocking on doors, you know, getting on buses and passing out flyers and getting people to join organizations. The Labor Community Strategy Center is my first political home. It’s where I would be a part of what it’s famous for, which is the Bus Riders Union.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Started by an old friend of mine, Eric Mann.

PATRISSE KHAN-CULLORS: Yes, Eric Mann. That’s my mentor.

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/...ou_a_terrorist

Who is Eric Mann?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Mann
Mann and 24 other Weathermen were charged with conspiracy to commit murder after two bullets were fired through a window of the police headquarters on November 8, 1969. Mann surrendered to the police on four counts stemming from the November 8 incident: conspiracy to commit murder, assault with intent to commit murder, promotion of anarchy, and threatening.

Oh.....well he seems like a kind and decent person to have as a mentor. Not like the Weather Underground ever did anything with ill intent.


Marxists can't crack the United States on "class warfare" alone because in America you can move up and down the ladder as it were, you're not stopped at working class or middle class or upper middle class just because the government says "No" or a bank says "no" (though that seems to be changing as banks aren't allowing people with certain political views to use their services anymore). So they had to go the death by a thousand cuts route and use Critical Race Theory and Intersectionality in order to break and cripple this nation and it seems to me that THOSE people are winning and that's not a good thing for anyone.


But hey what do I know, I'm merely a straight white Christian man so I am so far down the "progressive stack" totem pole that nobody need pay attention to me nor heed my concerns for this or that. And I don't say all this to insult you, I don't say it to hurt your feelings, I don't say it out of anger or disgust or malice, I say it because I'm afraid not many people know or care about it when they should because the slippery slope of Marxism isn't a pretty one. Those literal COMMUNISTS cry out "Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!" at normal average Americans who have been taught full well the horrors of Nazi Germany, it's a real and visceral reaction one has to the word and for good reason. Meanwhile the term "Communist" carries no such weight, but I'd urge anyone and everyone to learn up on who they were and what they have done in the past and continue to do. The Gulag Archipelago is a good place to start, The Cultural Revolution (similar to what we're experiencing right here right now) is a good place to start.

The 4 olds have to be destroyed in order for the Communists to have their day: Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Customs.

[TitoFan]

When Black Lives Matter protesters march down a street holding signs... as ALL protesters have a right to do in these United States... I don't sit there dwelling on what their obscure, maybe underhanded founders may be or not be doing. I'm focusing on why these decent citizens are out there marching in the first place. Usually it's following a murder of a black person caught on video (thank God for phone cameras), without any filtering, without any sneaky coverup cop-to-cop, without any news bias wanting to blame the black guy all the time. They are marching out of well-founded fears that any of them or their families could be racially profiled and therefore subjected to police abuse without warning or any provocation. How many of those worries do YOU entertain every day? I thought so. So we'll continue focusing on different aspects of BLM, where you prefer to go upstairs and dismiss the whole movement because of some rotten apples...... and I'll continue focusing on the people and issues themselves. Thank God not everyone thinks like you on this topic (no disrespect intended).... because honestly all of jack shit would be done about the very real racial issues in this country.

When you attempt to force me to equate BLM protests with Trump supporters storming the Capitol, you're wanting me to accept your premise that they're totally similar in nature. They're not. Presidential election. One candidate won... the other one lost. If that's enough to make people invade the Capitol, that's on them (and the (cough) "leader" who sat there and did absolutely ZILCH before making a half-hearted, forced message a week later). Outraged Trump fans storming the Capitol. None of them fearful of being racially profiled in the street and abused by police. All of them stoked to rage by nonstop, 24/7 incendiary propaganda about Massive Voter Fraud, where I repeat the onus is on the accusers to prove their points... not on the system to prove its innocence.

Apples and oranges.

Your fear of being taken over by Socialists/Communists, etc. is one I've heard from Trump supporters within my relatives ranks, particularly young ones that live in the States. I'm not trying to downplay any of your fears. All I'm saying is that these fears are nothing new, as in "all of a sudden." Yet they seem to have grown at a feverish pace during Trump's reign. Why is that? I'd venture to say it has to do with Trump himself. Slowly... continuously... like the proverbial drop of water on the stone... Trump has engrained this fear in most of his fan base. All of a sudden Trump is the only "savior" that can possibly stop this rising tide of Communism/Marxism, whatever. The rhetoric would have people believe that there's this "cabal-like" machinery with Biden as its head (or puppet) that is just waiting for the election din to die down before the gears start moving again.

Ok... and what of the American people. What of the checks and balances built into the American governmental system. What of the more sensible people among the Trump haters who just wanted Trump the HELL out of there, but want no part of this gloom and doom future you're painting. Why is Trump painted as the Superman that will save American from this global evil? He's nothing but a 70-some year old punk. A bully... a dumb one at that. Incapable of even verbally communicating at the levels we're become accustomed to hear other Presidents speak. A psychologist would have a fucking field day with Trump. He's got so many personality issues it's not even funny.