Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
Ok so the whole argument hinges on your use of the word "majority", where you probably feel there are more of those who fit the description than I do.

But if there are more than I would hope, it's due in large part to Trump's exploits during the last four years. I would venture to say that more than just a few previously stoic GOP voters allowed themselves to be worked up into a lather by Trump. Four years of stoking the flames of division are nothing to sneeze at. When you've had a rah-rah President holding rally after rally, demonizing the other side to the point where chants against lawmakers are smugly encouraged... it's tough for everyone to resist going over to "the dark side." Still... Republicans are just as passionate about their beliefs as Democrats are of theirs. Anyone who they feel is going to stand up to the other side is just fine by them. Unfortunately, Trump wasn't exactly what the doctor ordered. During his dictatorship er... presidency... many GOP lawmakers turned in their backbones and submitted to his whip... thinking only of their own political futures. Nauseous I know... but then again what else to expect from a sniveling weasel like Lindsey Graham.

Here in our own forum. You have a Trumpeteer who gleefully applauded the movement of thousands of troops to the Southern border (in preparation for the Great Invasion that never materialized) and said... and I quote... "mow down the toothless peasants." That was before he did an inexplicable "flip-flop" for a few months, and is now back foaming at the mouth and acting in a way that would make Rudy Giuliani proud. If your description is about someone like that, then I agree wholeheartedly. But I still feel there are Republicans who became disillusioned with Trump somewhere along the way. It could've been any number of things. His gross COVID mismanagement and his election fraud lathering of his troops were just the tip of the iceberg.

You feel the runup to the 2024 campaign will be a certain way. I'm not so sure. Republicans as I said stand by their beliefs. But they've also seen someone they THOUGHT was going to champion their ideals, literally tear the Party to shreds. Nepotism, lying out the yin-yang, unfulfilled promises, vindictive politics that would make any swamp creature blush, etc, etc, etc. How can they, in good conscience, look for ANOTHER Donald Trump for 2024? Doesn't sound logical to me. If you're a diehard Republican, with conservative views... and you want a strong candidate to sway Republicans and moderate Democrats alike.... you don't look for another TV personality clown. You look for a strong candidate... and that is NOT a Donald Trump clone.

By the way, anger and fear are not sole properties of Republicans. Plenty of extremist Democrats own those as well. Trump has basically imploded an already partisan-divided America and turned into a hatred-filled cesspool, from which swamp creatures are only too happy to escape.
You're saying that the majority of the GOP after the last four years won't want another four years of the same thing. That Trump was either too much of a soap opera for them, too divisive, too much of a dictator.

Well here's a poll of GOP voters that came out today. This poll was taken after he attempted a coup last week:


In an Axios-Ipsos poll taken Tuesday and yesterday:

  • 64% of Republicans said they support Trump's recent behavior.
  • 57% of Republicans said Trump should be the 2024 GOP candidate.
  • Only 17% think he should be removed from office.

House and Senate Republicans tell me they strongly believe Trump will remain a force in the party's 2022 and 2024 races — even if he were to be convicted in the forthcoming Senate trial, and barred from holding federal office himself.

A majority of Republicans still think Trump was right to challenge his election loss, support him, don’t blame him for the Capitol mob and want him to be the Republican nominee in 2024.

In the poll which I now can't fucking find Trump is at 57%, Pence is at 14% and Junior is at six. That's the top three candidates. And that's a week after a coup attempt. Four years from now Trump will be over sixty and the voters who would rather have his son will be right behind him. So a solid two in three GOP voters are Trump voters and absent being banned from office or a trip to Rikers Trump is going to walk the 2024 nomination. If he can't be with us tonight his son can.

Republicans are passionate about their beliefs but their beliefs aren't the ones they claim to have. Christian conservatives who went crazy over a blowjob don't give a shit if the president knocks up porn stars while his third wife is pregnant. Small government free market conservatives don't give a shit when Trump puts tariffs on a vast array of goods and hands out gigantic government subsidies to favoured domestic businesses. Picking winners and losers twelve years ago was bringing socialism to America and literally going to destroy the economy but now it's government policy and actually we support it. People who spent the previous eight years terrified of an impericla president imposing his will and ending democracy in America are now right behind a White House using threats and extortion to force GOP representatives to vote for their dictator and to use threats of violence from his supporters to make his political opponents back down:


https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ud/6644005002/

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/statu...90567202029569

GOP elected officials' lives are in danger because of how they voted:

https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/sta...39174098685955

And fucking Lindsay Graham outdoes himself here. Drop impeachment or the country gets it. This cunt broke with Trump after the coup attempt, said I'm done with him, went back to his state and couldn't believe it when he found the base were still supporting Trump, came back to Washington a Trump supporter again:

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/statu...54964683751425


And so on.

The vast majority of these fuckers don't give a shit about anything other than white people remaining at the top of the tree and those other people being kept in their place. That's the be all and end all for at least two out of three GOP voters. White power baby. White power and whatever Fox News have been banging on about recently.

This is what the Republican party is. Just watch the next four years. Maybe we should bookmark this eh. Come back and revisit it every year and see how we're getting on.