Oleksandr Usyk v Joe Joyce

[Primo Carnera]

Usyk beat Joyce over 4 rounds but I think Joe will win over 12 rounds. Joe has improved, will do better over the longer distance and I think Usyk is not as good with his injuries he has had and struggled too much against Chisora.

I would hope Joyce has improved, he was an amateur. Every time a Brit is underdog for a title, you back them because “they’ve improved.”
Don’t fighters from anywhere else improve?

What is your problem with Brits? Not being funny but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet when Brits celebrate or back fighters from here that many of us have followed for years. That is not blind optimism it is quite a natural and healthy response but you seem oddly irked by it.

If I am wrong then my apologies but that is how it comes across.

First of all , I accept your apology. I have no problem with Brits whatsoever, not even you!
My problem isn’t with backing your fighter, regardless of whether if it is blind optimism or not.
But to try prove that it is not blind optimism by giving reasons like “he’s improved” is pathetic.
What happened to balance? Because you’re a Brit, you wouldn’t see it because it comes across as arrogant and disrespectful to the opposition fighter.
If the tables were turned you would see it mate, honestly.
If @Master were to have said :
“Joyce has improved a lot and he has a big size advantage , hopefully that will be enough. But Usyk needs to be respected for what he has achieved and it won’t be a pushover.”
I would have no problem whatsoever.

[Beanz]

Usyk beat Joyce over 4 rounds but I think Joe will win over 12 rounds. Joe has improved, will do better over the longer distance and I think Usyk is not as good with his injuries he has had and struggled too much against Chisora.

I would hope Joyce has improved, he was an amateur. Every time a Brit is underdog for a title, you back them because “they’ve improved.”
Don’t fighters from anywhere else improve?

What is your problem with Brits? Not being funny but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet when Brits celebrate or back fighters from here that many of us have followed for years. That is not blind optimism it is quite a natural and healthy response but you seem oddly irked by it.

If I am wrong then my apologies but that is how it comes across.

First of all , I accept your apology. I have no problem with Brits whatsoever, not even you!
My problem isn’t with backing your fighter, regardless of whether if it is blind optimism or not.
But to try prove that it is not blind optimism by giving reasons like “he’s improved” is pathetic.
What happened to balance? Because you’re a Brit, you wouldn’t see it because it comes across as arrogant and disrespectful to the opposition fighter.
If the tables were turned you would see it mate, honestly.
If @Master were to have said :
“Joyce has improved a lot and he has a big size advantage , hopefully that will be enough. But Usyk needs to be respected for what he has achieved and it won’t be a pushover.”
I would have no problem whatsoever.

What a daft thing to say. You are seriously suggesting that being British means it is impossible to have any objectivity? You don't half assume a hell of a lot about people. It is quite funny seeing you trying to justify your own bias by imposing it on others. Usyk did not look great against Chisora. That makes any heavyweight matchup with him nowhere near the foregone conclusion people were assuming. I am not sure that Joyce is going to expose or even beat him but I don't think Master was suggesting that Usyk had not improved at all, rather that he might struggle against a younger fitter and more dangerous opponent than Del boy.

[Primo Carnera]

Usyk beat Joyce over 4 rounds but I think Joe will win over 12 rounds. Joe has improved, will do better over the longer distance and I think Usyk is not as good with his injuries he has had and struggled too much against Chisora.

I would hope Joyce has improved, he was an amateur. Every time a Brit is underdog for a title, you back them because “they’ve improved.”
Don’t fighters from anywhere else improve?

What is your problem with Brits? Not being funny but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet when Brits celebrate or back fighters from here that many of us have followed for years. That is not blind optimism it is quite a natural and healthy response but you seem oddly irked by it.

If I am wrong then my apologies but that is how it comes across.

First of all , I accept your apology. I have no problem with Brits whatsoever, not even you!
My problem isn’t with backing your fighter, regardless of whether if it is blind optimism or not.
But to try prove that it is not blind optimism by giving reasons like “he’s improved” is pathetic.
What happened to balance? Because you’re a Brit, you wouldn’t see it because it comes across as arrogant and disrespectful to the opposition fighter.
If the tables were turned you would see it mate, honestly.
If @Master were to have said :
“Joyce has improved a lot and he has a big size advantage , hopefully that will be enough. But Usyk needs to be respected for what he has achieved and it won’t be a pushover.”
I would have no problem whatsoever.

What a daft thing to say. You are seriously suggesting that being British means it is impossible to have any objectivity? You don't half assume a hell of a lot about people. It is quite funny seeing you trying to justify your own bias by imposing it on others. Usyk did not look great against Chisora. That makes any heavyweight matchup with him nowhere near the foregone conclusion people were assuming. I am not sure that Joyce is going to expose or even beat him but I don't think Master was suggesting that Usyk had not improved at all, rather that he might struggle against a younger fitter and more dangerous opponent than Del boy.

Beaner doing what Beaner does. Pick a couple of words out of a statement , change the total context to suit his argument/ opinion. So what is “my own bias”? Who am I biased towards?
Who said it was a foregone conclusion?
Most people would say Usyk is a better boxer, most people would say Usyk starts as favourite.
Of course , there are questions that need answering, the main one being can he impose himself against these much bigger guys?
As for what YOU THINK what Master was suggesting, well his words were that “ I think Joe will win over 12 rounds. Joe has improved, will do better over the longer distance .”
So I replied asking whether Usyk had improved. Also Usyk is also a fit guy who has no question marks over his ability to do the distance.
And you adding that he’s :
Younger - clutching at straws, seeing as he is 35 years old.
Fitter - fitter than Del Boy possibly, but hardly an area where he scores big against Usyk.
More dangerous - debatable. I mean, do you see Joyce getting as close to beating a Dillian Whyte that was at the time seen as a top 4 HW along with AJ, Fury & Wilder ?
I never said Joyce doesn’t stand a chance. After how he dispatched of Dubois, that would be disrespectful. But we must remember, Usyk is not Dubois. A very different proposition .
I aimed my remarks at Master’s rose tinted spectacles , yet your first sentence is an aggressive “what have you got against Brits?”
Someone is feeling a bit paranoid me thinks.