Today In Biden Land

[Kirkland Laing]

agent provocateurs
and cops opened the doors
a merry mix
of antifa, BLM, Trump supporters and hooligans
....14 Antifa members disguised themselves with pro-Trump clothing to join in the DC rioting. The infiltrators were recognized due to their participation in New York City and Philadelphia demonstrations, and were believed to have joined in the rioting so that Trump would get blamed.

Of course you have no proof at all of this total bullshit.

[Kirkland Laing]

agent provocateurs
and cops opened the doors
a merry mix
of antifa, BLM, Trump supporters and hooligans
....14 Antifa members disguised themselves with pro-Trump clothing to join in the DC rioting. The infiltrators were recognized due to their participation in New York City and Philadelphia demonstrations, and were believed to have joined in the rioting so that Trump would get blamed.

Of course you have no proof at all of this total bullshit.

Still waiting for this. Every week I'm going to pick one of your endless bullshit claims and tack it onto this one and ask for proof. It's going to end up quite a list and it'll only be scratching the surface of all the bullshit you post.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Kirky: people act on their own accord. Trump cannot force anyone to do anything. Whoever went in, went in, Trump supporters, anarchists wearing Trump hats, BLM, Antifa, agents provocateurs, etc. People act on their own accord. They were going in while Giuliani was still speaking before Trump even started, if you believe in Trump Rays & Beams that hypnotized people to do this or that, then YOU are the one who needs to come with the proof, twinkle toes.

Bottom line is Trump did nothing wrong.

[TitoFan]

Of course. Teflon Don has never done anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. No accountability... no responsibility. Just like when he worked the kooks of the States up into a lather over the thousands and thousands of invading illegal immigrant criminals getting ready to storm the Mexico-US border. Got some nutjob to drive hundreds of miles to El Paso, Texas... just so he could shoot himself up some Hispanics. Not Trump's fault either. Not his fault he created a feverish, delusional panic over a supposed "invasion", which in the end petered out into a boring flow of men, women, and children at the border. You know... the "toothless peasants" you wanted "mowed down."

The double standards here scream holy hell. Biden stutters in front of the teleprompter... and he should get hung by his thumbs. Trump incites violence, hatred, and division... and you give it the ol' wink and a nod. Just like your cult leader prophesized. He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and STILL not lose any of his blind voters.

On top of drinking industrial quantities of that Kool-Aid..... do you take it via IV's also?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Of course. Teflon Don has never done anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. No accountability... no responsibility. Just like when he worked the kooks of the States up into a lather over the thousands and thousands of invading illegal immigrant criminals getting ready to storm the Mexico-US border. Got some nutjob to drive hundreds of miles to El Paso, Texas... just so he could shoot himself up some Hispanics. Not Trump's fault either. Not his fault he created a feverish, delusional panic over a supposed "invasion", which in the end petered out into a boring flow of men, women, and children at the border. You know... the "toothless peasants" you wanted "mowed down."

The double standards here scream holy hell. Biden stutters in front of the teleprompter... and he should get hung by his thumbs. Trump incites violence, hatred, and division... and you give it the ol' wink and a nod. Just like your cult leader prophesized. He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and STILL not lose any of his blind voters.

On top of drinking industrial quantities of that Kool-Aid..... do you take it via IV's also?

point by point, no sarcasm if I can help it.

1. Teflon DOn has done many, many things wrong. So going that hyperbolic route won't disprove anything I said. Never said he "never done anything wrong".
2. IF Donald Trump claims he has never done anything wrong, then he is without a doubt WRONG. Because no human being ever can make that claim.
3. "Got some nutjob to do XY or Z", nahhh, the nutjob is who did it, the nutjob drove to El Paso, the nutjob is at fault, accountable, responsible. Now the nutjob can say Trump brainwashed/manipulated/zombified him to go and do whatever, and yet THAT is the epitome of avoiding responsibility right there. Trump didnt "get" someone to drive and shoot up Hispanics. The nutjob "got" his own self to do it. Blaming Trump for that is a non sequitur and unreasonable. Basically, Im keeping this straight here and hope your response will be too, but then again you love the Kool Aid quips so go right ahead, but to sum it up for you: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION. Never will. And every court of law will prove that to you.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Newsflash:

Correlation does not prove causation

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Sad times that the general pop cannot comprehend that you cannot legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them. It will fail in every court of law. I distinctly remember during several pre-law classes at Rutgers College in New Brunswick, New Jersey that this is an all-too-common error in thinking and basically falls square into the category of a questionable-cause logical fallacy.

Sorry to burst the general population's bubble about that. Hopefully they study the concepts well and master them.

[TitoFan]

Of course. Teflon Don has never done anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. No accountability... no responsibility. Just like when he worked the kooks of the States up into a lather over the thousands and thousands of invading illegal immigrant criminals getting ready to storm the Mexico-US border. Got some nutjob to drive hundreds of miles to El Paso, Texas... just so he could shoot himself up some Hispanics. Not Trump's fault either. Not his fault he created a feverish, delusional panic over a supposed "invasion", which in the end petered out into a boring flow of men, women, and children at the border. You know... the "toothless peasants" you wanted "mowed down."

The double standards here scream holy hell. Biden stutters in front of the teleprompter... and he should get hung by his thumbs. Trump incites violence, hatred, and division... and you give it the ol' wink and a nod. Just like your cult leader prophesized. He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and STILL not lose any of his blind voters.

On top of drinking industrial quantities of that Kool-Aid..... do you take it via IV's also?

point by point, no sarcasm if I can help it.

1. Teflon DOn has done many, many things wrong. So going that hyperbolic route won't disprove anything I said. Never said he "never done anything wrong".
2. IF Donald Trump claims he has never done anything wrong, then he is without a doubt WRONG. Because no human being ever can make that claim.
3. "Got some nutjob to do XY or Z", nahhh, the nutjob is who did it, the nutjob drove to El Paso, the nutjob is at fault, accountable, responsible. Now the nutjob can say Trump brainwashed/manipulated/zombified him to go and do whatever, and yet THAT is the epitome of avoiding responsibility right there. Trump didnt "get" someone to drive and shoot up Hispanics. The nutjob "got" his own self to do it. Blaming Trump for that is a non sequitur and unreasonable. Basically, Im keeping this straight here and hope your response will be too, but then again you love the Kool Aid quips so go right ahead, but to sum it up for you: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION. Never will. And every court of law will prove that to you.

Ok, no Kool-Aid references.

Let's get something clear first. I'm not asking or pretending Trump be charged for the mass murder committed by the El Paso nutjob.

What I AM saying... and I think it's perfectly reasonable... is that Trump as POTUS holds a MASSIVE amount of influence over his supporters. Case in point... the drinking bleach to combat COVID story.

Never have I said it was Trump's fault that some people (and I use the term loosely) actually ingested bleach and either died or became very sick.

I'm objective enough to opine that while it was an irresponsible comment by a POTUS who has ZILCH knowledge about medical issues.... he didn't MAKE anyone drink bleach and die. Those fools did it to themselves.

However, going back to Trump's influence.

Trump spent MONTHS working people up in the States about a "supposed invasion" that never really materialized. You can talk about arrangements with Mexico and all that other stuff.

Fact of the matter is that Trump used his fear-mongering tactics to work people into a hate-filled lather regarding immigrants.

Somewhere in that group... there are nutjobs close to the edge... and all they need is a gentle nudge from their Cult Leader.... Commander-in-Chief.... to go over that edge.

Common sense.

With great authority comes great responsibility.

You CANNOT incite violence and then sit back with that stupid, smug look on your face (Trump's face, not yours) like saying..... "Who..... ME??" It's SICKENING coming from the leader of the free world (in title only).

My standards for President remain HIGH.

I'd rather have someone up there who I respect as a person, even if they make a mistake every now and then...... than an absolute jackass of a human being who cares about no one but himself.

YOU YOURSELF shouted about the blood on the hands of Trump by minimizing the pandemic from the very beginning... possibly costing many people their lives.

What the HELL has changed between then and now that has turned you around YET AGAIN 180 degrees??

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Of course. Teflon Don has never done anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. No accountability... no responsibility. Just like when he worked the kooks of the States up into a lather over the thousands and thousands of invading illegal immigrant criminals getting ready to storm the Mexico-US border. Got some nutjob to drive hundreds of miles to El Paso, Texas... just so he could shoot himself up some Hispanics. Not Trump's fault either. Not his fault he created a feverish, delusional panic over a supposed "invasion", which in the end petered out into a boring flow of men, women, and children at the border. You know... the "toothless peasants" you wanted "mowed down."

The double standards here scream holy hell. Biden stutters in front of the teleprompter... and he should get hung by his thumbs. Trump incites violence, hatred, and division... and you give it the ol' wink and a nod. Just like your cult leader prophesized. He could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, and STILL not lose any of his blind voters.

On top of drinking industrial quantities of that Kool-Aid..... do you take it via IV's also?

point by point, no sarcasm if I can help it.

1. Teflon DOn has done many, many things wrong. So going that hyperbolic route won't disprove anything I said. Never said he "never done anything wrong".
2. IF Donald Trump claims he has never done anything wrong, then he is without a doubt WRONG. Because no human being ever can make that claim.
3. "Got some nutjob to do XY or Z", nahhh, the nutjob is who did it, the nutjob drove to El Paso, the nutjob is at fault, accountable, responsible. Now the nutjob can say Trump brainwashed/manipulated/zombified him to go and do whatever, and yet THAT is the epitome of avoiding responsibility right there. Trump didnt "get" someone to drive and shoot up Hispanics. The nutjob "got" his own self to do it. Blaming Trump for that is a non sequitur and unreasonable. Basically, Im keeping this straight here and hope your response will be too, but then again you love the Kool Aid quips so go right ahead, but to sum it up for you: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION. Never will. And every court of law will prove that to you.

Ok, no Kool-Aid references.

Let's get something clear first. I'm not asking or pretending Trump be charged for the mass murder committed by the El Paso nutjob.

What I AM saying... and I think it's perfectly reasonable... is that Trump as POTUS holds a MASSIVE amount of influence over his supporters. Case in point... the drinking bleach to combat COVID story.

Never have I said it was Trump's fault that some people (and I use the term loosely) actually ingested bleach and either died or became very sick.

I'm objective enough to opine that while it was an irresponsible comment by a POTUS who has ZILCH knowledge about medical issues.... he didn't MAKE anyone drink bleach and die. Those fools did it to themselves.

However, going back to Trump's influence.

Trump spent MONTHS working people up in the States about a "supposed invasion" that never really materialized. You can talk about arrangements with Mexico and all that other stuff.

Fact of the matter is that Trump used his fear-mongering tactics to work people into a hate-filled lather regarding immigrants.

Somewhere in that group... there are nutjobs close to the edge... and all they need is a gentle nudge from their Cult Leader.... Commander-in-Chief.... to go over that edge.

Common sense.

With great authority comes great responsibility.

You CANNOT incite violence and then sit back with that stupid, smug look on your face (Trump's face, not yours) like saying..... "Who..... ME??" It's SICKENING coming from the leader of the free world (in title only).

My standards for President remain HIGH.

I'd rather have someone up there who I respect as a person, even if they make a mistake every now and then...... than an absolute jackass of a human being who cares about no one but himself.

YOU YOURSELF shouted about the blood on the hands of Trump by minimizing the pandemic from the very beginning... possibly costing many people their lives.

What the HELL has changed between then and now that has turned you around YET AGAIN 180 degrees??

Trump acting like an expert about bleach injections was sickening and embarrassing and I called him out on that doggedly. I'm glad to hear you say that whoever did inject bleach did that out of their own stupidity and that Trump could not be prosecuted for that. I'm also really glad to hear you say that Trump cannot be prosecuted for what that a****** and El Paso did to those innocent people. And to this day I have not gone back on my condemnation of trump for his failure to enact a federal masked mandate. Because he failed to do that, millions more people were infected than had to be and thousands more people died than had to die. I don't call it by party lines I call it by what I see and I condemned Trump and I still do to this day for injecting bleach comments and for failing about the mask mandate and I still condemn Trump for his close ties to Saudi Arabia and turkey. I have never failed to support the yemenis either. so basically I have always agreed with you on those points that I just listed.

what starts to get harder to enforce legally though is and let's say I agree with you on this as well that there is always that outer Fringe of people who just need a little nudging before they go off like a lunatic and do something crazy. Hell I can even find a way to agree with Larry that words do matter. But it becomes kind of a slippery slope. Even when one is in a position of power like president of the United States or lower positions for example in sports when they accused Mike Tyson of being a bad example for the youth, I mean nobody is disputing there are these Fringe people on the outside who just need a little nudging. But it is hard to draw the line between just how much a human being has the right to say and just how much it is going to give that little nudge to somebody somewhere at some time and just how causative it really was. I mean of course I agree that the safest thing in the world is to never ever speak any kind of insightful language ever and then nobody anywhere ever could ever make the argument that you may be influenced somebody somewhere to do something crazy. that's an extreme example but of course that would be the safest route and I don't deny it. It's good debating this with you Tito, we are getting much more out of our conversations like this I think. 🙂

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirky: people act on their own accord. Trump cannot force anyone to do anything. Whoever went in, went in, Trump supporters, anarchists wearing Trump hats, BLM, Antifa, agents provocateurs, etc. People act on their own accord. They were going in while Giuliani was still speaking before Trump even started, if you believe in Trump Rays & Beams that hypnotized people to do this or that, then YOU are the one who needs to come with the proof, twinkle toes.

Bottom line is Trump did nothing wrong.

What do you mean "they were going in" while Giuliani was speaking? The attack on the Capitol started well after the rally ended.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Kirky: people act on their own accord. Trump cannot force anyone to do anything. Whoever went in, went in, Trump supporters, anarchists wearing Trump hats, BLM, Antifa, agents provocateurs, etc. People act on their own accord. They were going in while Giuliani was still speaking before Trump even started, if you believe in Trump Rays & Beams that hypnotized people to do this or that, then YOU are the one who needs to come with the proof, twinkle toes.

Bottom line is Trump did nothing wrong.

What do you mean "they were going in" while Giuliani was speaking? The attack on the Capitol started well after the rally ended.

No that isn't so. The attack on the capitol was already taking place before the speaking was over. It's been very well documented. Also, People were busted for having the night before placed pipe bombs in different places and laid out plans of attack on January 5th.

[SlimTrae]

Today In Biden Land the exposing of a singularly ruled people are still dominated by the charade of telling the people there are 2 parties.


The outgoing Prez told his supporters -vote for him and he will self fund so he isn't controlled by big corporations. Lied and said any money that is donated is for the Republican Party- during the Presidential election. Claimed their donations were around $61.
Yet his website had a donate button.
Not only did he reverse position, he did it within months-
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ction-campaign

He can literally contradict himself in the same sentence, let alone same month I quote:
“I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,”
-FOX news.

Mitt Romney self funded his campaign. And When Mike Bloomberg funded his short lived campaign- he was accused of trying to buy the election.




Just like in 2016, 2020 Donald sought Billionaire donors, bragged about it yet those who said they were voting for a successful businessman that was self funding said nothing about his bragging of how much he raised...from wealthy donors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michela...h=53afdf94bbdd
At Least 23 Billionaires Made Six-Figure Donations To Committees Supporting Donald Trump

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michela...h=6e87f00d2341

2020 He started collecting billionaire donors when the Dem's race was about Sanders vs Warren. When Democratic voters decided otherwise- making Biden the winner - he began collecting billionaire donors months after Donald did.
When it was all said and done, Donald's billion dollar buddies decided to turn away from him- opting for Joe instead.

This means several things to me.
1. Donald can't even get his own demographic to support him (the wealthy) Why? He gave them a tax cut never before seen in this nation's history.
2. He can lie to his supporters in the same sentence and they didn't care, I repeat: “I’ll be putting up money, but won’t be completely self-funding,”
3. While both parties claimed they don't want corporations controlling their nominee, both Clinton & Trump were accepting from Big Donors in 2016 & then Trump & Biden in 2020.
4. Biden secured more from the same group; the wealthy.
5 We still got a president who accepted money from those with power to influence.
6. Another who can't or won't keep the lobbyists away, not from the Executive Branch or Legislative branch via Senate & House
7. Pac Money still being used by every president the people elect
8. Yet both parties has the gall to look at the other party, not their own.

[El Kabong]

No links to the Lincoln Project anymore, why Ain't they your peeps?

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirky: people act on their own accord. Trump cannot force anyone to do anything. Whoever went in, went in, Trump supporters, anarchists wearing Trump hats, BLM, Antifa, agents provocateurs, etc. People act on their own accord. They were going in while Giuliani was still speaking before Trump even started, if you believe in Trump Rays & Beams that hypnotized people to do this or that, then YOU are the one who needs to come with the proof, twinkle toes.

Bottom line is Trump did nothing wrong.

What do you mean "they were going in" while Giuliani was speaking? The attack on the Capitol started well after the rally ended.

No that isn't so. The attack on the capitol was already taking place before the speaking was over. It's been very well documented. Also, People were busted for having the night before placed pipe bombs in different places and laid out plans of attack on January 5th.

There was nobody "inside" the building until the rally had finished. Trump went back to the White House and watched the attack on the television.

[SlimTrae]

Kirky: people act on their own accord. Trump cannot force anyone to do anything. Whoever went in, went in, Trump supporters, anarchists wearing Trump hats, BLM, Antifa, agents provocateurs, etc. People act on their own accord. They were going in while Giuliani was still speaking before Trump even started, if you believe in Trump Rays & Beams that hypnotized people to do this or that, then YOU are the one who needs to come with the proof, twinkle toes.

Bottom line is Trump did nothing wrong.

What do you mean "they were going in" while Giuliani was speaking? The attack on the Capitol started well after the rally ended.

No that isn't so. The attack on the capitol was already taking place before the speaking was over. It's been very well documented. Also, People were busted for having the night before placed pipe bombs in different places and laid out plans of attack on January 5th.

There was nobody "inside" the building until the rally had finished. Trump went back to the White House and watched the attack on the television.

Every timeline I've seen indicated exactly what you stated.
I ask myself -when a President Tweets about the upcoming event with: "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
What did he mean? How did his followers interpret a "peaceful" protest will be "wild?"

https://www.fox29.com/news/timeline-...chaos-unfolded
claims: President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol building, breaking windows, ransacking lawmakers’ offices and clashing with police.

10:02 a.m.
Vice President Mike Pence said, "It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not."


11:00 a.m.
President Trump spoke to supporters & exclaimed: "We will not let them silence your voices. We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."
I ask myself, how does one "stop the steal" with peaceful protesting? And why did he say 'we', when he didn't go? Sounds like some Osama Bin Laden type shit- you put on the bomb jacket- while I stay on the run and hide in a cave.


1:47 p.m.
FOX29 affiliate FOX5 DC reported that protestors started approaching the U.S. Capitol (was he still speaking? from 11am-1:45pm?)


2 p.m.
FOX 5 DC reported that rioters had gotten into the U.S. Capitol building by 2 p.m.

2:20 p.m.
An announcement was played inside the Capitol. "Due to an "external security threat," no one could enter or exit the Capitol complex, the recording said.


If these timeframes are off, both FOX29 & FOX5 should be held accountable.

2:40 p.m. Videos recorded security officials with guns drawn on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives,(FOX29 & FOX5 then claim they were pro-Trump rioters fighting with police in the Capitol Rotunda.


3:00 p.m.
Rioters entered the offices of lawmakers, including U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
I ask myself, how can any American feel safe knowing our state capital can be breeched for an hour with no MARINES, RECON, ARMY, ARMY RANGERS, NATIONAL GUARD, NOT EVEN Paul Blart the Mall Cop was called. How can anyone -pro Trump not ask themselves- how did this go on for an hour plus?


When I think of the attack at the consulate BenGhazi- they got in did damage, killed and left or as the Republican led Senate stated- given the time it started and finished (within 20 minutes) they couldn't have gotten there in time. Yet when it came to Americans who would storm their own Capital, how could they feel so secure with their actions...that they took the time to kick their feet up on desks, rummage around for souvenirs? Stop and take selfies?


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3:30 p.m.
It was reported that one person was shot by U.S. Capitol Police.
I ask myself, how did it take over an hour to skin that smoke-wagon?



If this time is true, this is pathetic-
3:36 p.m.
White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany stated on Twitter that the National Guard was on the way
WOW 3:36? and they are on the way? Not there, but on the way?

And if this timeframe is true, then the greatest terrorist isn't outside the country, but running it.
4:10 p.m.
President-elect Joe Biden addressed the nation

I ask myself How could a President elect make a statement before the President? How can anyone who claims to love America be ok with the president saying nothing- before the democratic elect does?

5:15 p.m.
Police used tear gas and percussion grenades
5:00?

5:30 p.m.
District officials declared the Capitol "secure" nearly four hours after the pro-Trump mob disrupted the electoral count and stormed the building.

7:55 p.m.
Stephanie Grisham, first lady Melania Trump’s chief of staff, and White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews both resigned in the wake of the pro-Trump riots in the U.S. Capitol.

https://www.fox61.com/article/news/p...7-467dc4622b2e
FOX61 said 2pm when it was breeched.

"we had the numbers to take it over- if we wanted to"
Trump supporter speaking to FOX61 news

Since a standard search for FOX only gave me their affiliate, I went to their site & when I did a search for Timeline of Capital Riot I found these:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how...me-to-fruition
(they ask- who made it happen- as if to tell their readers- this is a puzzle that needs to be solved)

"We came together by action and the call of our president. Our commander-in-chief had requested our assistance, and any veteran with honor listens to the commander-in-chief"
--FOX News interviews rally goer.

Per FOX news timeline- They write " Around 10 a.m., in bone-chilling cold, Trump's sons and his longtime lawyer spoke to the growing crowds, and after the president's speech, thousands marched toward the Capitol after he suggested that they should.


So I agree with your take on the timeline. Wow did Biden actually address the nation 1st or did the President? What must your nation and other countries felt -when they saw people scaling walls like monkeys climbing trees. Taking a piss on the walls. Watching a fire hydrant hit a police officer & another get his head smashed in between doors, bleeding, hollering & crying, while the Vice President is whizzed away to the chants of Hang Mike Pence. How did the world view USA?