Covid- 19 - Second wave

[El Kabong]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

[Beanz]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

Everyone I would imagine. Mrs has the flu vaccine every year, it is not like anybody ever denied that the flu could be pretty nasty for some people. It ain't Covid though is it? Your point?

[Gandalf]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

Everyone I would imagine. Mrs has the flu vaccine every year, it is not like anybody ever denied that the flu could be pretty nasty for some people. It ain't Covid though is it? Your point?

Even the flu vaccine killed more than a hundred people here last year.

My contention with the vaccines for Covid is that they have been rushed out quickly without thorough investigation. We saw the results of what that can mean with the Swine Flu vaccine pretty much forced on NHS workers who then had awful side effects which saw them unable to work and then years of legal action thereafter.

With these vaccines all you have seen are the short term side effects, we simply do not know the long term side effects yet and this is why I see the general populace as guinea pigs right now. Did you get the swine flu vaccine? I certainly did not. Yet with this they pretty much want everyone to have it and you already have. Even Bill Gates casually brushed off how trials and research would need to be skipped and here you all are taking the shot into the unknown.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

"I'm not a Lab Rat"

by OrangeClock


I'm this and I'm that
No pun intended
The vaxxxine is Shat
And not recommended

Unless you're in haste
For some unknown reason
Some say its a waste
But now is flu season

So roll that sleeve up cuz:

"""Choosing stupidly not to get vaccinated isn’t “freedom” any more than driving drunk is. It’s endangering other people's lives. It is profoundly unethical. It is evil. And it, too, is coercive; the anti-vaxxer is forcing me to swim in their viral discharge, anytime we share space in public.

So, what then? Anti-vaxxers are like drunk drivers, but we can’t force them to get vaccinated. Are we just stuck with an evil and dangerous minority ruining life and endangering health for everyone else?"""

This they are saying
But they can go fuck themselves

[El Kabong]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

Everyone I would imagine. Mrs has the flu vaccine every year, it is not like anybody ever denied that the flu could be pretty nasty for some people. It ain't Covid though is it? Your point?

But what of flu numbers? Know anyone who has had the flu lately? "Oh well the numbers are down due to the masks & social distancing" is the typical response, but if that works for the flu why not COVID? The flu can indeed be VERY bad and kills plenty of people every year even children. I just wonder about if SOME people with "COVID" actually suffered from the flu.


Now I've had COVID, I've had the flu....if you told me "You can have COVID or the flu" based on my own personal experiences with both I'd take COVID 100 times out of 100....that's my own personal view. It's based on my own personal experiences (and seeing my entire family's experiences) with both.


I guess people might get offended by that or think I'm nuts, but honest to God, my wife, my daughter, my mom, my dad, and I all had COVID....I've had hangnails that have given me more trouble. Granted that's just OUR experiences, but when the absolute very worst the virus gave me was a few hours of no taste & no smell and for my wife a fever for a few hours....yeah I begin to question a lot of things. I'm not denying people die from it, I'm not saying it's not real, I'm not saying "go out & try to catch it, it's super fun", I'm just saying either me & my family are extraordinarily very lucky OR the virus isn't as bad as advertised for healthy people.


Take it however you want.

[TitoFan]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

Everyone I would imagine. Mrs has the flu vaccine every year, it is not like anybody ever denied that the flu could be pretty nasty for some people. It ain't Covid though is it? Your point?

But what of flu numbers? Know anyone who has had the flu lately? "Oh well the numbers are down due to the masks & social distancing" is the typical response, but if that works for the flu why not COVID? The flu can indeed be VERY bad and kills plenty of people every year even children. I just wonder about if SOME people with "COVID" actually suffered from the flu.


Now I've had COVID, I've had the flu....if you told me "You can have COVID or the flu" based on my own personal experiences with both I'd take COVID 100 times out of 100....that's my own personal view. It's based on my own personal experiences (and seeing my entire family's experiences) with both.


I guess people might get offended by that or think I'm nuts, but honest to God, my wife, my daughter, my mom, my dad, and I all had COVID....I've had hangnails that have given me more trouble. Granted that's just OUR experiences, but when the absolute very worst the virus gave me was a few hours of no taste & no smell and for my wife a fever for a few hours....yeah I begin to question a lot of things. I'm not denying people die from it, I'm not saying it's not real, I'm not saying "go out & try to catch it, it's super fun", I'm just saying either me & my family are extraordinarily very lucky OR the virus isn't as bad as advertised for healthy people.


Take it however you want.

I believe you and your family were extraordinarily lucky... and we should all be thankful for that.

I myself had it, and experienced relatively mild symptoms for about a week and a half. I say this hesitatingly, as I've always made it my practice to divulge as little as possible about my personal life here... particularly upon seeing how these things become personal attack targets very easily.

I have, however, known of people close to me and some I've just known casually who have had a considerable worse go of it. Some have died. And they haven't all been frail, sickly people either. So I hesitate to generalize about who gets sicker than who. All I know is it's a real disease, known to have killed millions of people worldwide.

I just think we all tend to make mountains out of molehills. Everything is a conspiracy. Everything is a lie. Everything is some obscure and twisted attempt to brainwash people into something. Amazing how we can't seem to just take things at face value. Always gotta be digging and digging. And since people have nothing more to fight about... they fight about mask usage and shit like that.

Hell... look at all the vaccination controversy. "It'll kill you"... "They're gonna implant a chip in you"... "There's a sinister plot behind the vaccinations"... etc, etc, etc. Never mind that some of us are old enough to remember getting vaccines in the past for diseases of those times. Measles, chickenpox, etc. Thankfully there wasn't any of the ridiculous, conspiracy-theory-laden, useless bullshit we see nowadays. You got your shot... and moved on with your life.

I'm sure the forum conspiracy theorist will be along any minute now, which is why I post very little on this thread. But I'll pay as much attention to whatever he has to say as I do to the grass growing in my backyard.

[Beanz]

Anyone remember the flu? Anyone?

Everyone I would imagine. Mrs has the flu vaccine every year, it is not like anybody ever denied that the flu could be pretty nasty for some people. It ain't Covid though is it? Your point?

But what of flu numbers? Know anyone who has had the flu lately? "Oh well the numbers are down due to the masks & social distancing" is the typical response, but if that works for the flu why not COVID? The flu can indeed be VERY bad and kills plenty of people every year even children. I just wonder about if SOME people with "COVID" actually suffered from the flu.


Now I've had COVID, I've had the flu....if you told me "You can have COVID or the flu" based on my own personal experiences with both I'd take COVID 100 times out of 100....that's my own personal view. It's based on my own personal experiences (and seeing my entire family's experiences) with both.


I guess people might get offended by that or think I'm nuts, but honest to God, my wife, my daughter, my mom, my dad, and I all had COVID....I've had hangnails that have given me more trouble. Granted that's just OUR experiences, but when the absolute very worst the virus gave me was a few hours of no taste & no smell and for my wife a fever for a few hours....yeah I begin to question a lot of things. I'm not denying people die from it, I'm not saying it's not real, I'm not saying "go out & try to catch it, it's super fun", I'm just saying either me & my family are extraordinarily very lucky OR the virus isn't as bad as advertised for healthy people.


Take it however you want.

Most vulnerable people in this country have had a flu shot for years and so will have not gotten very ill with the flu. I think you and your family were lucky but i also think your 'healthy' people point of view really, really fucking sucks.

One of my younger sisters caught covid and she is not even thirty, but it put her in hospital. Her twin was fine and like all of us has the gene that makes Ankolysing Spondylitis a factor in our lives. It does not mean that usually she is unfit, quite the opposite, but her inherited disease makes her vulnerable. There have been plenty of other examples of very fit people getting ill also in a way that flu would very rarely have done so. Flu would not have posed the same problems at all for my sister, even though like you say, for some, even the flu can be fatal. I would understand your skepticism if it were based in a rational set of reasons, but you are asking people to make huge imaginary leaps to give your theory credence. The last thing international capitalist societies and corporations want is to stop people earning and spending money, and so quite why they would, after having no option, choose to introduce the measures they have if Covid really was less serious than the flu, makes no sense at all.

Not everybody who is not 'Healthy' is so because of their own laziness, bad habits or failure to use common sense. We are all living longer on a more and more polluted planet, and so disability and disease,will. however fit you keep yourself very likely become a part of your life.

There is (not you) a bit of a Eugenics "pull your socks up it is your fault and if your just drank protein shakes like me you would not be ill" kind of bullshit undercurrent here on the forum, and the same thing exists in wider society. It would have been nice if all the lockdowns had helped people to understand what is is like for a sizeable chunk of the population who can never go out without help, and have for their entire lives faced the kind of isolation we all now understand a bit better.

[El Kabong]

"pull your socks up it is your fault and if your just drank protein shakes like me you would not be ill" [/I]kind of bullshit undercurrent here on the forum, and the same thing exists in wider society. It would have been nice if all the lockdowns had helped people to understand what is is like for a sizeable chunk of the population who can never go out without help, and have for their entire lives faced the kind of isolation we all now understand a bit better.

Yeah that flu shot thing depends on which type of flu the vaccine was geared to stop and which strain of the flu is running rampant that season. Oftentimes those are very very different.

I appreciate you thinking my point of view sucks. That's totally awesome how you took what I posted, you know, my whole lived experience and everything and then twisted it up to be completely antagonistic to you. Really super awesome when you do that, thanks for putting the effort in. I mean OBVIOUSLY I knew about your sister and I SO BADLY wanted to dunk on people with inherited diseases and health complications...MMMMM....MAN I do so love doing that, I might try it again later on just because it's SOOOOO nails exactly my point and it feels so good to have that be your takeaway.

Yeah I guess the whole "this is what I lived through and experienced" thing totally isn't rational, duh, stupid silly me living through an experience with my family and drawing on all of their experiences from it. What a dope I am.....guess it was just blind fucking luck from all of us.

"Not everybody who is not 'Healthy' is so because of their own laziness, bad habits or failure to use common sense." .....did I say one single solitary fucking thing about that? I've got a Sister In-Law with MS we were quite pleased she didn't/hasn't caught the virus.....oh but there I was talkin' all about how horrible and disgusting the "unhealthies" were....as a matter of fact I was going to go throw rotten tomatoes at them and mock their various ailments because that's the type of 19th century morality play villain I am .....next thing you know I'll have tied Dudley Do-Right's girlfriend to the fucking train tracks.

You DO know in my spare time I actually help raise money to treat children (for free) suffering from various kinds of ailments oh and holy shit what do we have here? https://www.shrinershospitalsforchil...-baszis-md-339 "juvenile ankylosing spondylitis"...God damn "unhealthies"!!!! Why do I feel the need to help out?


Well thanks for ONCE leaving me out of a Nazi analogy, I do sincerely appreciate that.

Maybe just maybe people view "health in general" through the prism of their own life experiences and that of their friends, families, and loved ones.


I was just giving my own personal experiences....my bad, sorry, won't happen again.

[Beanz]

Fucking hell man talk about an over reaction. You seem to have massive issues with anyone disagreeing with you. You want to claim because of your own virtually symptom free experience of Covid that it is not that much of a deal, then don't be surprised when someone informs you that you were lucky. I am perfectly entitled to feel that your opinion on something sucks. You think that about the majority of my opinions, and that of many of other people's on here, you talk to them like they are children. You are blind to your own antagonistic bolshy attitude so I don't expect you to notice, but you are pretty angry and furious about 90% of the time you post on here. I really am not. I would tell you to your face that opinion sucks, it is not a reason to fly off the handle.

I am glad in real life you have not had an empathy bypass, but on here you seen to revel in the idea of pretending that you have.

Don't worry you are not alone with the fake alpha male bullshit and bravado.

[El Kabong]

Fucking hell man talk about an over reaction. You seem to have massive issues with anyone disagreeing with you. You want to claim because of your own virtually symptom free experience of Covid that it is not that much of a deal, then don't be surprised when someone informs you that you were lucky. I am perfectly entitled to feel that your opinion on something sucks. You think that about the majority of my opinions, and that of many of other people's on here, you talk to them like they are children. You are blind to your own antagonistic bolshy attitude so I don't expect you to notice, but you are pretty angry and furious about 90% of the time you post on here. I really am not. I would tell you to your face that opinion sucks, it is not a reason to fly off the handle.

I am glad in real life you have not had an empathy bypass, but on here you seen to revel in the idea of pretending that you have.

Don't worry you are not alone with the fake alpha male bullshit and bravado.

Yeah, well perhaps I'm tired of you attributing shit I never said, never mentioned, never hinted at, never alluded to...to me and my lived experience. You didn't "disagree" with me, you accused me of being callous to folks who might have an issue or two whether they came by that issue via the genetic lottery or just by chance. And I being a person who does charitable work to help such people took offense to that and rightly fucking so.


IF I had some issues that could have made COVID worse for me then yeah I'd say "Golly gee aw shucks guys I'm super lucky"....the survival rate for COVID at my age is like 99.8%. Do you want me to pretend I dodged a real bullet so that affirms how you view things through the prism of your lived experiences or do you want me to be honest with you?


I treat you like a child because you act like one. "Oh El Kabong has posted a response, how can I twist this to be his awful horrible no good take about me and my family?" ....that's what you do all the fucking time and I'm sick to shit of it. Did I not just say (in this very fucking thread by the way) "Scary....good news you did NOT have a heart attack and have started your vaccinations and even better you're having a big gig lined up too." did I not JUST respond to your health scare with that? And yet when I explain what I lived through am I offered any acceptance? Am I offered any "Well, we're all happy you got through that ok"? NO, no I'm given no such courtesy, I'm met with "I think you and your family were lucky but i also think your 'healthy' people point of view really, really fucking sucks."

You're not disagreeing with my opinions, you're attributing some evil bullshit to me without rhyme or reason, and then you're miffed about my "over reaction" at you lumping that bullshit on me and what I've been through......yeah, that's perfect Beanz, turn this response around for you to be the victim again, say I've somehow offended your 4th Cousin twice removed who is a duckbilled platypus that lives on Jupiter's moon Europa and whose ancestors were enslaved by people just like me.


There's literally no pleasing you. I'm nice to you, I make posts that have literally 0.000 to do with you or your family and you attack me like I personally know your sister and considered her genetically damaged because that's how you perceived I was using the word "healthy"....my fucking God Beanz.


Hey guys, stop everything! I have found the center of the universe....it's Beanz