RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler

[johnsebastianmiran]

I recalled quite a few fights I saw while having a brew and at home on a Saturday afternoon but this particular muscularly chiseled fighter who looked like a statue out of a sculpture's imagination with the perfect rock to be shaped and I heard an announcer which the passage of time escapes my memory said about Marvelous Marvin Hagler, "He is a blue collar fighter." You could see the evidence of a training camp that said during the hours of perfecting his fighting plan, his strategy, the hard work and blue collar effort that got him the name Marvelous in addition to the Marvin Hagler we already knew.

[TIC]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

[Primo Carnera]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

If this is a way of justifying Canelo v Crawford you are way off.
1. Hagler was a career MW. He didn’t yo-yo up and down the weights. The fact that so-called smaller guys came up to his weight as you say, at the end of his career was because they wouldn’t have dreamed of it at Hagler’s peak.
2. These smaller guys are some of the greatest fighters to lace up gloves at any weight.
We cannot compare Crawford with Hearns, Duran or SRL.
3. Hagler was a small MW . I would argue that Hearns was a bigger guy than him. Leonard would probably have beaten any MW or SMW today, and it was Duran cashing out against Hagler, not the other way round.
4. The guys back then earned a fraction of what Canelo does today. Surely they can’t be blamed for trying to get what they’re worth and what they deserve. And it’s not like they were fighting patsies for it.
Let’s be honest , not just Canelo, but none of these top fighters today are worth the millions they are paid, in Canelo’s case tens of millions.
Back then, it was their pensions they were chasing, nowadays Canelo, Fury, Joshua and others could fund multiple generations of their family tree.

[TIC]

& marvin lost to a smaller guy who had been inactive for almost three years

[TIC]

marvin should have fought mike mccallum instead of john mugabi

[Master]

marvin should have fought mike mccallum instead of john mugabi

I am a huge fan of the Bodysnatcher but it is easy to say that after he had beaten the then undefeated, knocked out all his opponents Beast Mugabi. Most people would have said why take on the untested McCallum who still had not beaten Milton McCrory or Cobra Curry until a year later.

Marvin athletic peak were probably before he became champion, when he fought the hard Philly fighters as a skilful Southpaw. Marvin was robbed by judges and became champion later than he should have so he took on the best that were around at the time.

Marvellous avoided Herol Graham to take on Sugar Ray. No one is blaming him for that.

[Primo Carnera]

& marvin lost to a smaller guy who had been inactive for almost three years

And your point is? Canelo lost to a smaller man in Floyd. 🤷*♂️ if that is you trying to say “Canelo was better than Hagler” you’re wrong. Don’t forget Hagler used to weigh in on the same day.
Nowadays he would be a Light Middle and he would batter everyone.
Guys get beat by smaller guys. Do you know why? Because they’re getting beat by better guys. That’s all there is to it really.
And the fact that SRL had been out of the ring for 3 years says more about him than Hagler.

[TIC]

you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead

[Primo Carnera]

you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead

If you go back to the first line I wrote on this subject , you’ll know why I mentioned Canelo.
But you chose to ignore that.

[Spicoli]

& marvin lost to a smaller guy who had been inactive for almost three years

Some say lost, some say royally screwed. Arguably one of the most debated decisions at the highest level over the last number of decades. And the smaller fighter competed with and held W's with the same greats who make up the same Fab four era we always celebrate and respect...plus some. And would go onto do it again post Hagler.

As much as I like McCallum, in hindsight I think some of the "boogeyman" and flat avoided talk with Duran, Hagler etc can get carried away. Many circumstances let alone basic timing. Hagler was not a bend the knee kinda man. He fought an established legend and fellow Fab 4 member in Leonard. McCallum was still very under the radar and winning a dropped belt on a Hagler undercard. He broke out a bit with Julian Jackson network KO still at 154, when Hagler was 3 months away from fighting Mugabi before it was originally postponed. Great fight McCallum but he literally had done nothing at middle. That was his move to make but he wasn't well established and did not make it. And as we found out when he finally walked into the division, he was thoroughly out boxed by Kalambay. Full respect Body Snatcher. Kalambay was very solid and Mike got him back a few years later. To the original question out of left field that bumped a condolence thread , no Hagler doesn't get a pass as he never needed one in the first place.

[TIC]

& marvin lost to a smaller guy who had been inactive for almost three years

Some say lost, some say royally screwed. Arguably one of the most debated decisions at the highest level over the last number of decades. And the smaller fighter competed with and held W's with the same greats who make up the same Fab four era we always celebrate and respect...plus some. And would go onto do it again post Hagler.

Hagler was not a bend the knee kinda man.

McCallum was still very under the radar

Great fight McCallum but he literally had done nothing at middle.

when he finally walked into the division, he was thoroughly out boxed by Kalambay. Full respect Body Snatcher. Kalambay was very solid and Mike got him back a few years later.

To the original question, no Hagler doesn't get a pass as he never needed one in the first place.

marvin bent the knee to twelve rounds, bigger gloves & ring size to get the ray fight didn't he?

mike was still under the radar, i think i originally posted eighty five to eighty seven but i think towards the end of eighty six or instead of the ray fight in april eighty seven, mike would have been catching marvin at the right time

respectfully, john, tommy & ray had done nothing at middle

yeah sumbu got mike, that was in eighty eighty, sumbu could be very difficult at his best

i disagree, i give marvin a pass as he did most of his work earlier

i wasn't present at the time but what was the feeling & thoughts on the marvin v ray fight? with ray's inactivity & moving up was it seen as competitive going in? i guess the wbc were good with sanctioning it even with ray being out for three years with their hands out as usual. different times, has anyone got a shot at a title in recent times after that long out?

[TitoFan]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

I was wondering why this thread had gotten bumped (LOL).

This shit is priceless. You just can't make this shit up (hahaha).

Man..... you have GOT TO BE KIDDING with this ridiculous bullshit. But you know what? It just lends clear and unmistakable evidence that you are IN FACT a desperate Ginger groupie..... desperate to latch on to ANY shred of (albeit nonsensical) examples to try and prove a totally ridiculous point.

I get so happy when I see shit like this.

For one thing, you should wash your mouth out with soap for even daring to speak of the great Hagler in such disrespectful terms. While you're at it, you should seek professional help for even hinting at comparing a great warrior from the past with the biggest, most coddled and manufactured diva in the history of boxing.

But I appreciate your train of thought.
It's that of a groupie who refuses to give up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!