Canelos gloves - "Everlast MX" doing serious damage

[TitoFan]

Just done a bit of digging and it turns out that Canelo no longer wears the Everlast glove but uses the "No Boxing, No Life" horsehair glove.
Canelos trainer Eddy Reynoso even owns the company, if that's not a massive conflict of interest and a serious cause for concern then I don't know what is.

I also discovered that it's still not illegal to "stack your gloves" in Nevada and Texas (the 2 places Canelo fights)

This is from boxrec

Stacking is similar to plaster of Paris in that when a fighter starts sweating the extra layer of gauze starts to harden. For this reason you’re only allowed one layer of gauze which purpose is to protect the knuckles. Having 2 layers of gauze with tape in between creates a layer of bulk to the fist. It’s going to provide extra impact even when wearing gloves.

Add a stacked hand wrap to a horsehair glove (designed by your own trainer of all people) and you may as well be hitting someone bare knuckles.

All the above is fact and clearly dodgy as fuck, we already know Canelo walks an extremely thin line in terms of cheating, PEDS, catch-weight and rehydration clauses.

Not saying he wouldn't knock out or stop these guys but it's the injuries he's causing that is a big worry.

Good info, thanks for sharing.

You read stuff like this.... you feel even more strongly about the need to standardize gloves in boxing.

C'mon... boxers are finely tuned athletes with individual attributes which make them entertaining to watch. Some are master boxers... others are devastating punchers.

Differences in gloves shouldn't be added as part of the equation.

What you mention, in addition to what @Master brings up regarding Canelo's sudden ability to damage bigger fighters... should at least give people pause.

[TIC]

glove controversy's are nothing new. felix tito had to rewrap against bernard. fighters should wear the same gloves & wrapping should also be uniform

[TitoFan]

glove controversy's are nothing new. felix tito had to rewrap against bernard. fighters should wear the same gloves & wrapping should also be uniform

As long as you're not plastering (a la Margarito), different boxing commissions allow different types of hand wrapping. Not to say that couldn't be standardized also... but part of the wrapping technique is to protect fighters' hands, some of which are more brittle than others. Gloves though... there's no reason why they should be different. A good, safe hand wrapping job coupled with standard gloves should be the norm in boxing.

[Rotten Apple]

glove controversy's are nothing new. felix tito had to rewrap against bernard. fighters should wear the same gloves & wrapping should also be uniform

Trinidad pretty much build his career off stacking

[Spicoli]

Dunno, as ugly as it was I have a bit of a hard time faulting a guy for targeting key strengths of an opponent. I mean they're not in there to knit mittens and pour tea . While slimy maybe Canelo still took one of Smiths key weapons away right off. Fighters exploit previous injuries, bruised ribs and target cuts regularly. Canelo has had silk underwear and a silver spoon in his little orange mouth since day 1 but some of this scooby doo mystery hour stuff can be said of more than a few guys. Didn't Margarito get his eye socket caved in by Manny who was also moving up and arguably hitting harder a bit. Inoue orbital fracture to Donaire. Max Baer literally knocked a poor guys brain 'loose'. Think Cotto made a jigsaw puzzle out of Paulies face too. I just think this may have happened much more than we realize but now it's on a world stage information highway with arguably the biggest name- 'attraction' in boxing. And he's a diva so that helps . If there's any positive takeaway maybe it's that these are the injuries we see. Attention drawn to it. But at the end of the day after every ko loss a fighter is permanently less than before he entered the ring that night. One major factor in helping curve that would be to stop clear near mismatches ahead of time. Namely Khan being used for name sake division jumping for Canelo and Brook putting his head in the gators mouth jumping up for Golovkin.

[Kirkland Laing]

I started off reading this thread thinking it's just Khan whingeing and trying to come up with yet another excuse for his crystal jaw but there definitely seems to be substance to this. I'm sure there'll be more reporting done on this in the future. The biggest draw in boxing being able to pick his own custom gloves for fights doesn't seem right but he's going to get away with it unless this blows up into a big issue at some point.

[Master]

I started off reading this thread thinking it's just Khan whingeing and trying to come up with yet another excuse for his crystal jaw but there definitely seems to be substance to this. I'm sure there'll be more reporting done on this in the future. The biggest draw in boxing being able to pick his own custom gloves for fights doesn't seem right but he's going to get away with it unless this blows up into a big issue at some point.

If BJS is forced to retire he should sue Canelo and that will raise the profile of this scandal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14916...-bones-canelo/

[ruthless rocco]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

[SlimTrae]

Hard to tell where to draw the line.
Margarito ripped off Lujan's ear, how often does that happen? And many a fighter have had their retina detached. But the injuries that ensure me sometimes it is the fighter's power would be the thrashing Briggs took against Klitschko: a broken left orbital bone in Briggs’ face, a broken nose and torn left biceps.

A Fighter's trainer signs off on gloves.

And most important to me is that some fighters break down easier than others.

Maybe Saunders got a broke face because he finally faced a menacing puncher. Defeating Martin Murray before this title shot didn't mean he was deserving IMO over a Charlo or an Andrade. But it is what it is, Billie got to the big dance and learned the hard way.

If you can't roll with the punch, you're probably gonna bare the brunt of the punch. Perfect punch to do it- as he was in the perfect position for maximum impact now that I've seen it.

Side note- I felt that James Kirkland was a pretty decent puncher, not menacing, but he could bang- But in the ring with Canelo one could see a difference in punching power.
A big difference, not sure why it was so apparent against Kirkland, but not Mayweather other than how Floyd positioned himself when he did get hit.

[Yuzo]

Hard to tell where to draw the line.
Margarito ripped off Lujan's ear, how often does that happen? And many a fighter have had their retina detached. But the injuries that ensure me sometimes it is the fighter's power would be the thrashing Briggs took against Klitschko: a broken left orbital bone in Briggs’ face, a broken nose and torn left biceps.

A Fighter's trainer signs off on gloves.

And most important to me is that some fighters break down easier than others.

Maybe Saunders got a broke face because he finally faced a menacing puncher. Defeating Martin Murray before this title shot didn't mean he was deserving IMO over a Charlo or an Andrade. But it is what it is, Billie got to the big dance and learned the hard way.

If you can't roll with the punch, you're probably gonna bare the brunt of the punch. Perfect punch to do it- as he was in the perfect position for maximum impact now that I've seen it.

Side note- I felt that James Kirkland was a pretty decent puncher, not menacing, but he could bang- But in the ring with Canelo one could see a difference in punching power.
A big difference, not sure why it was so apparent against Kirkland, but not Mayweather other than how Floyd positioned himself when he did get hit.

gunboat smith said he ripped off jess willard's ear with a punch: "So in the tenth round I hit him with one of my right hands, but it was on the ear. Tore his ear right off. That hushed him up for the rest of the fight. The blood was running down, and oh God, I, of course, had my gloves loaded. I had insulation tape laid across my hands." he said that everybody loaded their gloves and, it was either him, or maybe it was jack sharkey, who said that after a few punches the padding in the gloves back then would thin out until there wasnt anything covering your knuckles at all. antonio margarito also ripped off sebastian lujan's ear with a punch. thats not too surprising. he was also loading his wraps. you wont usually see a fighter get his ear ripped off by a punch and i have never seen a fighter get his skull caved in by a punch. doctors described this injury as a "complete blowout" saunders face looked like it was smashed in about two inches. the bone that should be there was just gone. this is not an injury that i think you can receive from a gloved fist.

[Kirkland Laing]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

[Master]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Let's hope his next opponent Plant raises the issue and Canelo is held accountable.

[Spicoli]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Where's Saunders on this glove-gate? Has he and team filed or sought official complaint etc. I know Khan has chimed in ironically enough about being the hardest he's been hit and horse hair gloves but haven't seen what others thought. Is bit of a strange work through though. Khan the smaller very much chinnier than a BJ or Smith yet no where near the fractures or such. I can see suspicions and as a guy who has massaged and swerved some 'norms', manipulated status Canelo has put the target on his back. The horseshat he pulled with Angulo same day contract change was enough for me, but stuff like this quickly falls into accusations from the sidelines that can be washed either way to suit opinion. A lot of that these day in society. Politics, sports and so on. Next thing you know we're into Deontay Wilder territory accusing Fury of loaded gloves, the solar eclipse and blaming the weight of his socks. Maybe they can get Oscar or other former members to opine with behind the scenes knowledge as Eddie screwed them over and stole his golden goose. Would be interesting to see some proposals on unified rules and commission standard on gloves and gear but we're missing the forest through the Red wood tree a bit. That's the real reform and crooked area. We literally have States who borrow boxing commissions from other States because they don't have one. Just as we have boxers who borrow gear and cornermen. Start at the foundation of this, unified State requirements and regulation or no sanctioned events.