Canelos gloves - "Everlast MX" doing serious damage

[Master]

I started off reading this thread thinking it's just Khan whingeing and trying to come up with yet another excuse for his crystal jaw but there definitely seems to be substance to this. I'm sure there'll be more reporting done on this in the future. The biggest draw in boxing being able to pick his own custom gloves for fights doesn't seem right but he's going to get away with it unless this blows up into a big issue at some point.

If BJS is forced to retire he should sue Canelo and that will raise the profile of this scandal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14916...-bones-canelo/

[ruthless rocco]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

[SlimTrae]

Hard to tell where to draw the line.
Margarito ripped off Lujan's ear, how often does that happen? And many a fighter have had their retina detached. But the injuries that ensure me sometimes it is the fighter's power would be the thrashing Briggs took against Klitschko: a broken left orbital bone in Briggs’ face, a broken nose and torn left biceps.

A Fighter's trainer signs off on gloves.

And most important to me is that some fighters break down easier than others.

Maybe Saunders got a broke face because he finally faced a menacing puncher. Defeating Martin Murray before this title shot didn't mean he was deserving IMO over a Charlo or an Andrade. But it is what it is, Billie got to the big dance and learned the hard way.

If you can't roll with the punch, you're probably gonna bare the brunt of the punch. Perfect punch to do it- as he was in the perfect position for maximum impact now that I've seen it.

Side note- I felt that James Kirkland was a pretty decent puncher, not menacing, but he could bang- But in the ring with Canelo one could see a difference in punching power.
A big difference, not sure why it was so apparent against Kirkland, but not Mayweather other than how Floyd positioned himself when he did get hit.

[Yuzo]

Hard to tell where to draw the line.
Margarito ripped off Lujan's ear, how often does that happen? And many a fighter have had their retina detached. But the injuries that ensure me sometimes it is the fighter's power would be the thrashing Briggs took against Klitschko: a broken left orbital bone in Briggs’ face, a broken nose and torn left biceps.

A Fighter's trainer signs off on gloves.

And most important to me is that some fighters break down easier than others.

Maybe Saunders got a broke face because he finally faced a menacing puncher. Defeating Martin Murray before this title shot didn't mean he was deserving IMO over a Charlo or an Andrade. But it is what it is, Billie got to the big dance and learned the hard way.

If you can't roll with the punch, you're probably gonna bare the brunt of the punch. Perfect punch to do it- as he was in the perfect position for maximum impact now that I've seen it.

Side note- I felt that James Kirkland was a pretty decent puncher, not menacing, but he could bang- But in the ring with Canelo one could see a difference in punching power.
A big difference, not sure why it was so apparent against Kirkland, but not Mayweather other than how Floyd positioned himself when he did get hit.

gunboat smith said he ripped off jess willard's ear with a punch: "So in the tenth round I hit him with one of my right hands, but it was on the ear. Tore his ear right off. That hushed him up for the rest of the fight. The blood was running down, and oh God, I, of course, had my gloves loaded. I had insulation tape laid across my hands." he said that everybody loaded their gloves and, it was either him, or maybe it was jack sharkey, who said that after a few punches the padding in the gloves back then would thin out until there wasnt anything covering your knuckles at all. antonio margarito also ripped off sebastian lujan's ear with a punch. thats not too surprising. he was also loading his wraps. you wont usually see a fighter get his ear ripped off by a punch and i have never seen a fighter get his skull caved in by a punch. doctors described this injury as a "complete blowout" saunders face looked like it was smashed in about two inches. the bone that should be there was just gone. this is not an injury that i think you can receive from a gloved fist.

[Kirkland Laing]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

[Master]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Let's hope his next opponent Plant raises the issue and Canelo is held accountable.

[SlimTrae]

Interesting how those labeled as the biggest punchers ever (Ernie Shavers, Julian Jackson) never did such damage. For Canelo to achieve this level of power I now understand why so many questions are being raised.

[Kirkland Laing]

Interesting how those labeled as the biggest punchers ever (Ernie Shavers, Julian Jackson) never did such damage. For Canelo to achieve this level of power I now understand why so many questions are being raised.

By the time you're twenty three or four you've filled out to your full physical size and strength. At that age Alvarez was making 154. Now he's gone up two weight classes and is a stone heavier and is a wrecking machine. Definitely lots of questions can be asked about this but with him being the biggest draw in boxing and a big earner for a lot of interested parties don't expect him to be pushed into providing answers.

[palmerq]

I don't think there is that many questions, he already failed a drugs test(like his previous opponent) :S......

The horsehair gloves aren't new though, are they pretty sure Mayweather tried to stop Maida a wearing them and Floyd's choice of glove were called pillows..... I think this instance might be a case of not liking who won..

[TitoFan]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Let's hope his next opponent Plant raises the issue and Canelo is held accountable.

Boxing is a bit like the whore who will do whatever you want for the right price. Canelo will not be held accountable, simply because he's the BIGGEST DRAW IN BOXING. Boxing... the sport desperate for attention... and will go to any lengths to get it. Even if it means looking the other way when Canelo 'roids, when Canelo uses his own "custom gloves", when Canelo gets the judges he wants... the venue he wants... the opponents he wants... WHEN he wants them. Not ONE boxer was ever bigger than the sport. Not even Ali back in the day, because those were the 60's and 70's then, and society itself was different. Yet Canelo is approaching the "bigger than boxing" territory. Not because he's that wonderful... but because the machinery that has been in place for years now has finally accomplished its goal.

So no. Canelo will not be held accountable. EVER. Anyone with any authority in boxing that even dares suggest that boxing gloves should be standardized for the safety of the boxers, will end up sleeping with the fishes.

[TIC]

who signed off on canelo's gloves from billy joes team? they would have inspected them yeh? i would assume after all the ring size bullshit that if there was any concern this would have been highlighted as well

[Spicoli]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Where's Saunders on this glove-gate? Has he and team filed or sought official complaint etc. I know Khan has chimed in ironically enough about being the hardest he's been hit and horse hair gloves but haven't seen what others thought. Is bit of a strange work through though. Khan the smaller very much chinnier than a BJ or Smith yet no where near the fractures or such. I can see suspicions and as a guy who has massaged and swerved some 'norms', manipulated status Canelo has put the target on his back. The horseshat he pulled with Angulo same day contract change was enough for me, but stuff like this quickly falls into accusations from the sidelines that can be washed either way to suit opinion. A lot of that these day in society. Politics, sports and so on. Next thing you know we're into Deontay Wilder territory accusing Fury of loaded gloves, the solar eclipse and blaming the weight of his socks. Maybe they can get Oscar or other former members to opine with behind the scenes knowledge as Eddie screwed them over and stole his golden goose. Would be interesting to see some proposals on unified rules and commission standard on gloves and gear but we're missing the forest through the Red wood tree a bit. That's the real reform and crooked area. We literally have States who borrow boxing commissions from other States because they don't have one. Just as we have boxers who borrow gear and cornermen. Start at the foundation of this, unified State requirements and regulation or no sanctioned events.

[Fenster]

The funny thing about this thread is the moron(s) that don't get the irony. Egg weights. Fact.

[TIC]

i hope canelo doesn't break caleb

[Kirkland Laing]

Gloves don't break people's faces...

Exactly. Here we're talking about the lack of a glove causing the damage or at least a lack of padding in the knuckle area of the glove meaning the wearer can inflict more damage. It may even be that the lack of padding coupled with the resultant shape and form of the leather could be able to inflict even more damage than a bare fist.

I can see future opponents asking either for the same gloves or for both fighters to wear different gloves. With the benefit of hindsight Saunders shouldn't have focused on the size of the ring, there was a more kinetic issue he should have threatened to walk away over.

Where's Saunders on this glove-gate? Has he and team filed or sought official complaint etc. I know Khan has chimed in ironically enough about being the hardest he's been hit and horse hair gloves but haven't seen what others thought. Is bit of a strange work through though. Khan the smaller very much chinnier than a BJ or Smith yet no where near the fractures or such. I can see suspicions and as a guy who has massaged and swerved some 'norms', manipulated status Canelo has put the target on his back. The horseshat he pulled with Angulo same day contract change was enough for me, but stuff like this quickly falls into accusations from the sidelines that can be washed either way to suit opinion. A lot of that these day in society. Politics, sports and so on. Next thing you know we're into Deontay Wilder territory accusing Fury of loaded gloves, the solar eclipse and blaming the weight of his socks. Maybe they can get Oscar or other former members to opine with behind the scenes knowledge as Eddie screwed them over and stole his golden goose. Would be interesting to see some proposals on unified rules and commission standard on gloves and gear but we're missing the forest through the Red wood tree a bit. That's the real reform and crooked area. We literally have States who borrow boxing commissions from other States because they don't have one. Just as we have boxers who borrow gear and cornermen. Start at the foundation of this, unified State requirements and regulation or no sanctioned events.

Saunders likely won't say anything anytime soon because it looks like sour grapes and a bit Deontay Wilder. It'll be interesting to see what future opponents have to say though. If I was fighting him next I'd be wanting him to wear a standard glove from a known manufacturer. If his last couple of opponents have gone public with their opinions you can bet everybody else in boxing has one as well. I'm sure we'll hear more about it eventually.