The Cleveland Indians are no more

[TitoFan]

All white people are racist and if you are not then you are a miracle. You see racism as a character flaw. I don't. I see it at like calling the sky blue.

Well... we'll continue to disagree about the "all white people" thing.

But even more important... yes... we also disagree about how we see racism. No way in hell it's not a character flaw. The thing is... you see it as an inevitable part of being white. I don't. Racism is a learned behavior. You see white people as being born racist. I don't. To me, it's impossible to be born racist, since racism is a sort of ignorance. And ignorance is obtained when someone is not educated the right way and in the right environment.

Even you and this post- Black people all over South America are getting killed, living in the mud, having got a biscuit you're not posting about that ? Nope you've got to post about the Aunt Jemima and Cleveland Indians brand re-name.

And why do you think that is? I'll tell you why. Because the outward, blatant, in-your-face, violent racism that exists in many parts of the world, including South America, is unanimously viewed as abhorrent and negative. No one argues that those are good things. So it's not controversial. But changing brand names and team names IS controversial. It's controversial because to those of us who have the slightest bit of common sense... it smacks of cherry-picking, surface-skimming hypocrisy. "Let's do this and pat ourselves on the back. Our job here is done." As laughable as it is transparent. Maybe I've said this before. But if I were black... I wouldn't give a rat's ass about syrup names and concentrate on the things that have an actual impact on my life... like the systemic racism present in many sectors of U.S. law enforcement. And it's not just blacks who get profiled and treated with automatic suspicion by racist white cops. It's many Hispanics as well... at least in some areas of the country.

The so called PC Brigade didn't cancel Aunt Jemima. The Quaker Oats company (The company that owns Aunt Jemima brand) did

And they only did that because they didn't want to pay royalties to that ladies family. You see Aunt Jemma was a real person (in case you didn't know) her family never got a dime off those billion dollar brands their faces and names were used for. Pay out the families related to Aunt Jemima as the real woman that the syrup was based on died broke and was buried in an unmarked grave until recent years.

And even when the Quaker Oats company found out they still didn’t want to pay for a headstone . It was another non profit organization that went through the task of finding her descendants to approve of her getting a headstone.

In fact I did know Aunt Jemima was a real person. But Quaker Oats didn't just up and cancel Aunt Jemima out of the goodness of their hearts or without any prompting whatsoever. Or else they would've done it long ago. They had pressure, stemming from the avalanche of public outcry caused by the George Floyd murder. Now, about Quaker should've done the right thing by that person's family... I agree. No qualms with that.

They could have kept the syrup the way it was and put some money into community gardens in inner city areas, or programs for at risk children, or mentoring programs for youths.

See? That's exactly my point. I don't like "window dressing", and much prefer meaningful actions.


I don't think we're too much in disagreement here, except for the fact that you continue to consider all white people are born racist, and I don't.