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Re: Today In Biden Land
I just bumped into this:Originally Posted by Spicoli
Has been proven many times, we here have nooooo problem getting ourselves neck deep in 'it'. It's the exit where we tend to fark it all up. There were legitimate wrongs that needed to be righted post 9-11 and scalps to be targeted. But then we went all Nation building and culture carving in another land we knew feck all about and the added Bush-Rumsfeld side-quest of distraction called Iraq. We had no business there and created a giant recruiting poster to perpetuate it all forward. We owe much more to our allies..we have a bad habit of screwing them over.. and on a closer note the countless number of vets now sitting there numb asking and all for what. Seen this movie before.
WASHINGTON—An internal State Department memo last month warned top agency officials of the potential collapse of Kabul soon after the U.S.’s Aug. 31 troop withdrawal deadline in Afghanistan, according to a U.S. official and a person familiar with the document.
The classified cable represents the clearest evidence yet that the administration had been warned by its own officials on the ground that the Taliban’s advance was imminent and Afghanistan’s military may be unable to stop it.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/confide...se-11629406993
Lots more articles like this to come. Every player here is going to get their own version of events out and make themselves look as good as possible. I'm sure this State Department cable was sent. It may have been buried in a bunch of State Department cables that said things are uncertain and we have no idea how they'll play out and others saying things are fine and the Afghan army should be able to hold up for years. Any investigations will just devolve into political bunfights unfortunately.
The bottom line is that there's no way they would have let themselves get into this situation if they knew for certain it was going to happen. They thought the Afghan army would hold the fort at least until they all got out and when the government eventually fell it'd be months down the line and nobody in America would give a shit by then. Ha.
As far as screwing your allies over I think twenty years and trillions of dollars not to mention thousands of American lives given for a country that ultimately gave up without a fight isn't screwing them over. Maybe allies should know that there are limits on just what they can expect and be expected to produce something in return or it's just an abusive relationship.
We'll only be able to get a handle on it when the dust settles but there are endless aspects to this that are full of interest and import. The geopolitics of it, the military goals and whether they were militarily achievable and so on and so on.
As for the veterans, fuck. I went to a funeral in Sunderland ten or so years ago. You know how you look at a row of gravestones and you check the ages, he had a good innings, she did well and so on. I'm working my way along a row. Late seventies, eighties, eighties and so on until I get to eighteen. Eighteen! Killed in Afghanistan. Some mother's son who could have been me dead in the ground while still a baby and for fucking nothing. It was obvious back in the late aughts I think this was that there was zero fucking point to us being there. That one really stuck with me. If anything comes out of this it would be good if we didn't rush into military adventures in the future if they're not necessary and if the military isn't a solution to the problem and if we do have to use the military maybe look after the poor fuckers who have to fight in it if they make it out alive. Of course neither of these things are ever going to happen are they.
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