Who’s had the vaccine ? Side effects ?

**TIC** · 09-23-2021 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey.

Does personal experience count? Last November, several members of my family and myself attended a social function. Although we had tried to take all the necessary precautions, some of us got sick soon after. We all got sick at the same time... our symptoms were exactly what was being described as COVID symptoms... and fortunately we all came out of it fairly well. My own symptoms lasted about a week and a half. In talking to other people who attended that function, some of them got sick too.

Now... I'm not interested in debating with you about whether it's "caught from outside the body, through the air or surfaces." You've made it clear you're not interested in what anyone else has to say.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the general mood.

yes personal experience does count. so not everyone got sick? i'm not interested in debating. i'm interested in knowing. are you saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of you got sick? i'm not interested in what others have to say. i'm interested in what others know to be true

Glad you at least admit that personal experience does count. It would've been worrisome otherwise. Am I saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of us got sick? Absolutely. The timing... the symptoms... the circumstances. When I've backtracked and compiled all the data from those who actually attended the event... it becomes clear as day.

So... you claim you're "interested" in what others know to be true? Well... here it is. I know the facts to be true. I'll just leave it at that.

personal experience with isolating the virus from an infected person. proving they were infected from outside the body & the using that isolated virus to infect a healthy person from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. not your beliefs on what you think is true. you claim that there is absolutely no other possibility on why some of you got sick. i can name a number of other possibilities off the top of my head. you haven't even proved how you know covaids is real yet & are stating there is no other possibility. & you can't see the problem with that. backtracking & compiling data is not proving how you know covaids is a virus caught through the air or off surfaces. you can't claim beliefs to be facts until have proven them to be true

**TitoFan** · 09-24-2021 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey.

Does personal experience count? Last November, several members of my family and myself attended a social function. Although we had tried to take all the necessary precautions, some of us got sick soon after. We all got sick at the same time... our symptoms were exactly what was being described as COVID symptoms... and fortunately we all came out of it fairly well. My own symptoms lasted about a week and a half. In talking to other people who attended that function, some of them got sick too.

Now... I'm not interested in debating with you about whether it's "caught from outside the body, through the air or surfaces." You've made it clear you're not interested in what anyone else has to say.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the general mood.

yes personal experience does count. so not everyone got sick? i'm not interested in debating. i'm interested in knowing. are you saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of you got sick? i'm not interested in what others have to say. i'm interested in what others know to be true

Glad you at least admit that personal experience does count. It would've been worrisome otherwise. Am I saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of us got sick? Absolutely. The timing... the symptoms... the circumstances. When I've backtracked and compiled all the data from those who actually attended the event... it becomes clear as day.

So... you claim you're "interested" in what others know to be true? Well... here it is. I know the facts to be true. I'll just leave it at that.

personal experience with isolating the virus from an infected person. proving they were infected from outside the body & the using that isolated virus to infect a healthy person from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. not your beliefs on what you think is true. you claim that there is absolutely no other possibility on why some of you got sick. i can name a number of other possibilities off the top of my head. you haven't even proved how you know covaids is real yet & are stating there is no other possibility. & you can't see the problem with that. backtracking & compiling data is not proving how you know covaids is a virus caught through the air or off surfaces. you can't claim beliefs to be facts until have proven them to be true

Soooo..... first you say "yes, personal experience does count." Buuuuttt... when presented with personal experience you add the disclaimer "... with isolating the virus from an infected person... etc, etc.... blah, blah, blah."

You claim you can (cough) "name a number of possibilities off the top of your head", as to why several of us would get sick at the same time... off the same social event... with exactly the same symptoms... all exactly as COVID symptoms are described. I see.

Well... here's MY disclaimer.

A while back I told you I couldn't give less of a shit whether you believed COVID, masks, vaccines, or not. After that... I stopped trying to talk sense into you... (although I've seen others stubbornly continue to do so).

So don't take this as me trying to get back to trying to convince you of ANYTHING. I was just curious as to what your response would be when actually presented with someone with personal experience.

Predictably, you twisted yourself into a knot trying to sound knowledgeable when in actually you've just further exposed yourself for the fraud you are.

I feel sorry for anyone who actually has to deal with you in real life.

**TIC** · 09-24-2021 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey.

Does personal experience count? Last November, several members of my family and myself attended a social function. Although we had tried to take all the necessary precautions, some of us got sick soon after. We all got sick at the same time... our symptoms were exactly what was being described as COVID symptoms... and fortunately we all came out of it fairly well. My own symptoms lasted about a week and a half. In talking to other people who attended that function, some of them got sick too.

Now... I'm not interested in debating with you about whether it's "caught from outside the body, through the air or surfaces." You've made it clear you're not interested in what anyone else has to say.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the general mood.

yes personal experience does count. so not everyone got sick? i'm not interested in debating. i'm interested in knowing. are you saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of you got sick? i'm not interested in what others have to say. i'm interested in what others know to be true

Glad you at least admit that personal experience does count. It would've been worrisome otherwise. Am I saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of us got sick? Absolutely. The timing... the symptoms... the circumstances. When I've backtracked and compiled all the data from those who actually attended the event... it becomes clear as day.

So... you claim you're "interested" in what others know to be true? Well... here it is. I know the facts to be true. I'll just leave it at that.

personal experience with isolating the virus from an infected person. proving they were infected from outside the body & the using that isolated virus to infect a healthy person from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. not your beliefs on what you think is true. you claim that there is absolutely no other possibility on why some of you got sick. i can name a number of other possibilities off the top of my head. you haven't even proved how you know covaids is real yet & are stating there is no other possibility. & you can't see the problem with that. backtracking & compiling data is not proving how you know covaids is a virus caught through the air or off surfaces. you can't claim beliefs to be facts until have proven them to be true

Soooo..... first you say "yes, personal experience does count." Buuuuttt... when presented with personal experience you add the disclaimer "... with isolating the virus from an infected person... etc, etc.... blah, blah, blah."

You claim you can (cough) "name a number of possibilities off the top of your head", as to why several of us would get sick at the same time... off the same social event... with exactly the same symptoms... all exactly as COVID symptoms are described. I see.

Well... here's MY disclaimer.

A while back I told you I couldn't give less of a shit whether you believed COVID, masks, vaccines, or not. After that... I stopped trying to talk sense into you... (although I've seen others stubbornly continue to do so).

So don't take this as me trying to get back to trying to convince you of ANYTHING. I was just curious as to what your response would be when actually presented with someone with personal experience.

Predictably, you twisted yourself into a knot trying to sound knowledgeable when in actually you've just further exposed yourself for the fraud you are.

I feel sorry for anyone who actually has to deal with you in real life.

yes personal experience does count when you can prove to know something is true. your experience was only of some of you getting sick. not proof of convid being a virus caught from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. you just believe it was convid. you can't prove to know that to be true. you can't even admit to yourself that you only believe convid is real. you don't know that to be true & your angry because your illusion is being highlighted. if you want to use words like absolutely & facts then you better bring proof of how you know your claims are true to the table

**TitoFan** · 09-24-2021 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey.

Does personal experience count? Last November, several members of my family and myself attended a social function. Although we had tried to take all the necessary precautions, some of us got sick soon after. We all got sick at the same time... our symptoms were exactly what was being described as COVID symptoms... and fortunately we all came out of it fairly well. My own symptoms lasted about a week and a half. In talking to other people who attended that function, some of them got sick too.

Now... I'm not interested in debating with you about whether it's "caught from outside the body, through the air or surfaces." You've made it clear you're not interested in what anyone else has to say.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the general mood.

yes personal experience does count. so not everyone got sick? i'm not interested in debating. i'm interested in knowing. are you saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of you got sick? i'm not interested in what others have to say. i'm interested in what others know to be true

Glad you at least admit that personal experience does count. It would've been worrisome otherwise. Am I saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of us got sick? Absolutely. The timing... the symptoms... the circumstances. When I've backtracked and compiled all the data from those who actually attended the event... it becomes clear as day.

So... you claim you're "interested" in what others know to be true? Well... here it is. I know the facts to be true. I'll just leave it at that.

personal experience with isolating the virus from an infected person. proving they were infected from outside the body & the using that isolated virus to infect a healthy person from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. not your beliefs on what you think is true. you claim that there is absolutely no other possibility on why some of you got sick. i can name a number of other possibilities off the top of my head. you haven't even proved how you know covaids is real yet & are stating there is no other possibility. & you can't see the problem with that. backtracking & compiling data is not proving how you know covaids is a virus caught through the air or off surfaces. you can't claim beliefs to be facts until have proven them to be true

Soooo..... first you say "yes, personal experience does count." Buuuuttt... when presented with personal experience you add the disclaimer "... with isolating the virus from an infected person... etc, etc.... blah, blah, blah."

You claim you can (cough) "name a number of possibilities off the top of your head", as to why several of us would get sick at the same time... off the same social event... with exactly the same symptoms... all exactly as COVID symptoms are described. I see.

Well... here's MY disclaimer.

A while back I told you I couldn't give less of a shit whether you believed COVID, masks, vaccines, or not. After that... I stopped trying to talk sense into you... (although I've seen others stubbornly continue to do so).

So don't take this as me trying to get back to trying to convince you of ANYTHING. I was just curious as to what your response would be when actually presented with someone with personal experience.

Predictably, you twisted yourself into a knot trying to sound knowledgeable when in actually you've just further exposed yourself for the fraud you are.

I feel sorry for anyone who actually has to deal with you in real life.

yes personal experience does count when you can prove to know something is true. your experience was only of some of you getting sick. not proof of convid being a virus caught from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. you just believe it was convid. you can't prove to know that to be true. you can't even admit to yourself that you only believe convid is real. you don't know that to be true & your angry because your illusion is being highlighted. if you want to use words like absolutely & facts then you better bring proof of how you know your claims are true to the table

I would be "angry" if your opinion mattered one millionth of one iota.

But it doesn't... so I'm not.

**Beanz** · 09-24-2021 06:51 AM

The thing is TIC, your inability to grasp very basic scientific principles does nothing to refute the mountain of evidence.

You are the one making wild unsubstantiated claims and then failing to provide any evidence.

You are claiming that millions of scientists around the entire world are engaged in the biggest fraud the world has ever seen, without one iota of evidence to even suggest a motive, let alone any data on which to formulate an hypothesis.

'Believing is not the same as knowing' is a meaningless childish phrase. It doesn't do anything but reveal how little you bring to the table in your Emperors clothes.

You are obviously a very gullible easily led plum.

Embarrassing stuff.

**TIC** · 09-24-2021 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Beanz

The thing is TIC, your inability to grasp very basic scientific principles does nothing to refute the mountain of evidence.

You are the one making wild unsubstantiated claims and then failing to provide any evidence.

You are claiming that millions of scientists around the entire world are engaged in the biggest fraud the world has ever seen, without one iota of evidence to even suggest a motive, let alone any data on which to formulate an hypothesis.

'Believing is not the same as knowing' is a meaningless childish phrase. It doesn't do anything but reveal how little you bring to the table in your Emperors clothes.

You are obviously a very gullible easily led plum.

Embarrassing stuff.

none of what you are saying is proof of your claim that it is a demonstrable fact. i asked you to prove that claim to be true & you still can't & you can't bring yourself to admit you only hold a belief you spastic

**Beanz** · 09-24-2021 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by Beanz

The thing is TIC, your inability to grasp very basic scientific principles does nothing to refute the mountain of evidence.

You are the one making wild unsubstantiated claims and then failing to provide any evidence.

You are claiming that millions of scientists around the entire world are engaged in the biggest fraud the world has ever seen, without one iota of evidence to even suggest a motive, let alone any data on which to formulate an hypothesis.

'Believing is not the same as knowing' is a meaningless childish phrase. It doesn't do anything but reveal how little you bring to the table in your Emperors clothes.

You are obviously a very gullible easily led plum.

Embarrassing stuff.

none of what you are saying is proof of your claim that it is a demonstrable fact. i asked you to prove that claim to be true & you still can't & you can't bring yourself to admit you only hold a belief you spastic

I haven't claimed anything.

The existence and contagiousness of Covid-19 is an established fact, that only you without any evidence presented to dispute it, have 'claimed' here.

You seem to think that by pretending that the world should guess at your not yet revealed method of verifying truth, you have pulled out an ace, but actually you not understanding very simple concepts is not evidence of anything but your own failure to grasp rudimentary principles.

All it reveals is that in your eyes anyone who doesn't simply copy and paste the contrary 'for the sake of it' opinions of others like you have, is stupid.

So you don't even own your own opinion.

Until you can admit that there are such things as agreed facts and accepted scientific conclusions, yours is a fairy tale belief that has nothing to do with facts, science, personal experience or evidence.

**TitoFan** · 09-25-2021 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by TIC

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Hey.

Does personal experience count? Last November, several members of my family and myself attended a social function. Although we had tried to take all the necessary precautions, some of us got sick soon after. We all got sick at the same time... our symptoms were exactly what was being described as COVID symptoms... and fortunately we all came out of it fairly well. My own symptoms lasted about a week and a half. In talking to other people who attended that function, some of them got sick too.

Now... I'm not interested in debating with you about whether it's "caught from outside the body, through the air or surfaces." You've made it clear you're not interested in what anyone else has to say.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the general mood.

yes personal experience does count. so not everyone got sick? i'm not interested in debating. i'm interested in knowing. are you saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of you got sick? i'm not interested in what others have to say. i'm interested in what others know to be true

Glad you at least admit that personal experience does count. It would've been worrisome otherwise. Am I saying there are no other possibilities as to why some of us got sick? Absolutely. The timing... the symptoms... the circumstances. When I've backtracked and compiled all the data from those who actually attended the event... it becomes clear as day.

So... you claim you're "interested" in what others know to be true? Well... here it is. I know the facts to be true. I'll just leave it at that.

personal experience with isolating the virus from an infected person. proving they were infected from outside the body & the using that isolated virus to infect a healthy person from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. not your beliefs on what you think is true. you claim that there is absolutely no other possibility on why some of you got sick. i can name a number of other possibilities off the top of my head. you haven't even proved how you know covaids is real yet & are stating there is no other possibility. & you can't see the problem with that. backtracking & compiling data is not proving how you know covaids is a virus caught through the air or off surfaces. you can't claim beliefs to be facts until have proven them to be true

Soooo..... first you say "yes, personal experience does count." Buuuuttt... when presented with personal experience you add the disclaimer "... with isolating the virus from an infected person... etc, etc.... blah, blah, blah."

You claim you can (cough) "name a number of possibilities off the top of your head", as to why several of us would get sick at the same time... off the same social event... with exactly the same symptoms... all exactly as COVID symptoms are described. I see.

Well... here's MY disclaimer.

A while back I told you I couldn't give less of a shit whether you believed COVID, masks, vaccines, or not. After that... I stopped trying to talk sense into you... (although I've seen others stubbornly continue to do so).

So don't take this as me trying to get back to trying to convince you of ANYTHING. I was just curious as to what your response would be when actually presented with someone with personal experience.

Predictably, you twisted yourself into a knot trying to sound knowledgeable when in actually you've just further exposed yourself for the fraud you are.

I feel sorry for anyone who actually has to deal with you in real life.

yes personal experience does count when you can prove to know something is true. your experience was only of some of you getting sick. not proof of convid being a virus caught from outside the body through the air or off surfaces. you just believe it was convid. you can't prove to know that to be true. you can't even admit to yourself that you only believe convid is real. you don't know that to be true & your angry because your illusion is being highlighted. if you want to use words like absolutely & facts then you better bring proof of how you know your claims are true to the table

You love saturating your posts with the words "claim", "proof", "facts", "beliefs". But you misuse these words because you don't know the meaning of them. So... as a public service to all... I will proceed to teach you the proper use of these words.

For example...

Beanz claims you're a "very gullible easily led plum."

I disagree with him. "Gullible" means you might actually want to know the truth, but are easily misled or persuaded. So for Beanz to actually prove you're gullible, he would have to establish you actually want to know the truth.

The "plum" part is just Beanz being a nicer human being than I am. Because my own personal claim is that...

TitoFan claims you're a fucking moron.

Now... that's both a claim and a belief. Of course, I would have to prove that.

For starters, there's the gargantuan, global body of scientific evidence that is consistent both through time and space (has never wavered... is universally accepted)... that you so cavalierly wave off without any proof to the contrary.

You demand proof of something, but when presented with just that... you claim it isn't proof, or at least not acceptable to your standards. Thus proving you have no clue of what proof actually constitutes.

You're presented with facts... and you discount those. Thus proving you don't know what "facts" are either.

So we're pretty much on our way to proving the "fucking moron" claim.

Finally... you contradicted yourself horribly when you claimed you would accept personal experience as proof... but when presented with just that... you again dismissed it with nonsensical garbage which no one with a 3rd grade education or higher was able to comprehend.

THIS... my dear dick... er... TIC... is the final nail on the coffin as far as any counterarguments regarding you being a fucking moron.

Oh... and as seen from a boxing thread where you childishly take every comment made literally (even if it's meant to be comparative or figurative)... let me explain that there is no real nail nor any real coffin.

They're just figures of speech... yet another concept I'm pretty sure escapes your atom-sized brain.

Thus... I think we can all conclude that you are, in fact, a fucking moron.

**TIC** · 09-25-2021 10:04 PM