Canelo Alvarez v Caleb Plant - bring on undisputed

[TIC]

"ANOTHER ONE !" ..............As DJ Khaled says

So Canelo becomes undisputed within 1 year.

And against 3 undefeated fighters

Very-Very impressive

Last year most people on here said the toughest opponents that Canelo would face and lose to were Saunders or Plant. Now that he smoked both of them people say they were C class fighters and no good.

Now Plant and a few months ago and Josh Kelly Vs David Avenesyan - This was another example of a FAILED Philly shell defense. Money's style doesn't work without counters guys. Only Floyd could do it cause he was fast AF with quick cat like reflexes.

Canelo DGAF about being out boxed by anyone; he just sticks to the plan and listens to Reynoso

I'm not accusing Canelo of anything but I do think it's more than interesting how a guy can move to 154 and look even stronger. He's gone from not having the power to beat Matthew Hatton to knocking out super middle weights and breaking arms of light heavyweights.



Or maybe he didnt have the man strength when he fought Hatton and Hatton had never been stopped until he met the then 20 year old Canelo.

No one aside from the fake media called Saunders and Plant as any real tests to Canelo. Where do these people come from who are "calling" these fights? Everyone wants Canelo to fight the Charlo's or Andrade... That and they want, by some fantasy, for Andre Ward to come out of retirement.

jermall & demetrius have done nothing at one sixty eight. andre would get raped. canelo should tuned up against david b in may before moving to one seventy five

[SlimTrae]

I watched the 12minute highlight reel. Canelo walked him down, cut the ring off. Plant showed some nice jabs, but it seemed like at anytime- Canelo could have put his foot on the gas tank as Caleb made it clear he prefferred to back away & counter. Saw a round where Canelo went to the ropes (seemed like on his own) and he still was dominant.


Plant is a good boxer, but I think this shows how dominant Alvaraz has become. He can fight backing up, he can take the fight to his foe.


as far as the board's take...well I, the self-professed resident researcher.. @Spicoli has the most ground covered on Plant. His threads IMO were clear
1. Plant is a damn good boxer.
2. Just don't think he is in Canelo's league.

At one point he gave credit to Plant for wanting Canelo so soon- but Spicoli questioned where this confidence comes from.

Last- I didn't care for Plant's response the next day, he didnt even mention Canelo's name. Yeah he can come back...so as long as Canelo aint around.


Congrats- Anytime a fighter cleans their division out- that should be the record(s) fighters want to break or set.

[Denilson3.0]

"ANOTHER ONE !" ..............As DJ Khaled says

So Canelo becomes undisputed within 1 year.

And against 3 undefeated fighters

Very-Very impressive

Last year most people on here said the toughest opponents that Canelo would face and lose to were Saunders or Plant. Now that he smoked both of them people say they were C class fighters and no good.

Now Plant and a few months ago and Josh Kelly Vs David Avenesyan - This was another example of a FAILED Philly shell defense. Money's style doesn't work without counters guys. Only Floyd could do it cause he was fast AF with quick cat like reflexes.

Canelo DGAF about being out boxed by anyone; he just sticks to the plan and listens to Reynoso

I'm not accusing Canelo of anything but I do think it's more than interesting how a guy can move to 154 and look even stronger. He's gone from not having the power to beat Matthew Hatton to knocking out super middle weights and breaking arms of light heavyweights.



Or maybe he didnt have the man strength when he fought Hatton and Hatton had never been stopped until he met the then 20 year old Canelo.

No one aside from the fake media called Saunders and Plant as any real tests to Canelo. Where do these people come from who are "calling" these fights? Everyone wants Canelo to fight the Charlo's or Andrade... That and they want, by some fantasy, for Andre Ward to come out of retirement.

jermall & demetrius have done nothing at one sixty eight. andre would get raped. canelo should tuned up against david b in may before moving to one seventy five

Has there been a policy shift from Team Canelo to avoid black fighters ? Terence Crawford thinks so .

I'm not saying it because Mayweather is slick and that was his only loss bcoz we can all point to a black fighter that isn't slick.



But Canelo has only fought one black fighter in his last 13 fights (Danny Jacobs) and thing I don't see Charlo or Andrade as great fighters.

When you look at past great black amd white fighters of recent around his weight.

Canelo beats RJJ (I could be wrong on this one) but this looks like a JCC - Meldrick Taylor fight. Where RJJ is boxing Nelo's ears but eventually Canelo ends up nailing him. Hopkins and Andre Ward I see Canelo outworking them to a UD. Hopkins and Ward were unathletic safety first fighters and that'd mean they wouldn't rack up enough points to get the decision. Nigel Benn ? To strong for him. Eubank ? More chance than Ben but still go Canelo. Froch ? Easy work.

There are only two fighters of recent history I don't see Canelo beating

James Toney and Joe Calzaghe

Joe Calzaghe would be too fast and quick and he had a good chin and James Toney beats Canelo (Which shows how styles makes fights because I see RJJ always beatiing Toney even though I think Nelo beats RJJ) Toney had a granite chin and IMO better skills than Nelo.

[Master]

No body beats Roy Jones Jnr. He does not lose a second of a minute of a round of the fight against Canelo.

You said Canelo could not knock out light middle weights and now suddenly he is stopping supermiddles and light heavyweights. Something is not right.

[Primo Carnera]

So Canelo gets beat by a Welterweight (albeit an exceptional one.), but he beats nearly every SMW In history? Nah.

[Denilson3.0]

So Canelo gets beat by a Welterweight (albeit an exceptional one.), but he beats nearly every SMW In history? Nah.

Again. You could be right for sure. I'm normally quite certain on my opinions but saying Canelo beats RJJ and other past great super middle weights, not certain at all but even the Mayweather fight was very competitive. YouTube the fight. Mayweather didn't run him out the ring as what ppl think.

[TitoFan]

not certain at all but even the Mayweather fight was very competitive. YouTube the fight. Mayweather didn't run him out the ring as what ppl think.

Damn... you're on a roll. First you claim EVERYONE on here had said Canelo would lose to Plant, blatantly ignoring the fact that SOME of us had called Plant an overhyped bum of a Canelo opponent since Day One.

NOW, you claim that the Canelo-Mayweather fight was (cough)... "very competitive."

I'd like to smoke what you're smoking.

No. Mayweather didn't run Canelo out of the ring that night. He walked him out politely. It was an embarrassingly one-sided whitewash which perfectly illustrated the point that...

"Just because someone claims to belong in the same ring with the world's p4p at the time, doesn't mean he actually belongs there. That goes double for his legions of fans."

But I did some homework.

I set out to find an article... ANY article... that would list the Canelo fight as one of Floyd's toughest.

I thought maybe this one. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14030...na-logan-paul/

Nope. This one listed... Emanuel Augustus, Jose Luis Castillo I, DLH, Cotto, Maidana. Alas... no Canelo.

Ok, so I thought maybe Bleacher Report. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eathers-career

Let's see... in order... Castillo I, Maidana, Castillo II, DLH, Augustus, Cotto, Judah, Mosley. Nope. No Canelo to be seen here either.

For sure Pundit Arena.

They've got... Castillo I, Maidana, DLH, Cotto, Carlos Hernandez. Damn... no Canelo here either.


Starting to get the picture?



Let's look at punch stats, shall we?

Floyd Mayweather outlanded Canelo in EVERY...... SINGLE...... ROUND. Sometimes by a 2:1 or even 3:1 margin.

Maybe when you say "very competitive", you were looking at it from CJ Ross's vantage point.

It's the only plausible explanation I would be able to come up with.


Let's face it. Canelo was gifted the opportunity to step into the ring with Floyd Mayweather who.... albeit being the smaller man.... handed a HUMILIATING boxing lesson to Canelo... and a reality check to the legions of blind Canelo fans who demanded the fight in the first place.

[Denilson3.0]

not certain at all but even the Mayweather fight was very competitive. YouTube the fight. Mayweather didn't run him out the ring as what ppl think.

Damn... you're on a roll. First you claim EVERYONE on here had said Canelo would lose to Plant, blatantly ignoring the fact that SOME of us had called Plant an overhyped bum of a Canelo opponent since Day One.

NOW, you claim that the Canelo-Mayweather fight was (cough)... "very competitive."

I'd like to smoke what you're smoking.

No. Mayweather didn't run Canelo out of the ring that night. He walked him out politely. It was an embarrassingly one-sided whitewash which perfectly illustrated the point that...

"Just because someone claims to belong in the same ring with the world's p4p at the time, doesn't mean he actually belongs there. That goes double for his legions of fans."

But I did some homework.

I set out to find an article... ANY article... that would list the Canelo fight as one of Floyd's toughest.

I thought maybe this one. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14030...na-logan-paul/

Nope. This one listed... Emanuel Augustus, Jose Luis Castillo I, DLH, Cotto, Maidana. Alas... no Canelo.

Ok, so I thought maybe Bleacher Report. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eathers-career

Let's see... in order... Castillo I, Maidana, Castillo II, DLH, Augustus, Cotto, Judah, Mosley. Nope. No Canelo to be seen here either.

For sure Pundit Arena.

They've got... Castillo I, Maidana, DLH, Cotto, Carlos Hernandez. Damn... no Canelo here either.


Starting to get the picture?



Let's look at punch stats, shall we?

Floyd Mayweather outlanded Canelo in EVERY...... SINGLE...... ROUND. Sometimes by a 2:1 or even 3:1 margin.

Maybe when you say "very competitive", you were looking at it from CJ Ross's vantage point.

It's the only plausible explanation I would be able to come up with.


Let's face it. Canelo was gifted the opportunity to step into the ring with Floyd Mayweather who.... albeit being the smaller man.... handed a HUMILIATING boxing lesson to Canelo... and a reality check to the legions of blind Canelo fans who demanded the fight in the first place.

When I say Mayweather - Canelo was a very competive fight that doesn't mean I think it was a close fight. What I'm saying is that every single round in the Mayweather - Canelo fight was competitive. It's just that Mayweather won those competive rounds

It's bit like when Joshua fought Ruiz in the rematch. That was also very competitive fight but it wasn't a close fight. You never thought "Joshua got this easy" there was always that sense of danger.

Canelo lost to the best fighter in the world (Mayweather) but he didn't lose that badly. Floyd don't ruin fighters. It's not like Canelo was beaten bloody or knocked out or anything like that. In fact Canelo's probably had harder sparring session but he was outboxed.

[Spicoli]

Still haven't caught the fight other than the last round but hope to do so this weekend. From everything that can be gathered it sounds like it broke down pretty much how the consensus of fans had it going in. Caleb shows he's not some scrub and can actually box well takes some rounds, levels widen and show, Canelo power and improved punch selection collects on a guy trying to increasingly anticipate-avoid the return just as much as assert his own effective offence and the ceiling finally caves in on Caleb. I've said it for years as have so many fans..there are too many random belts and random champs in any given division. Doesn't matter if it's strawweight to heavyweight...if and when a fighter comes along and sweeps them all into one dustpan THAT is what's needed and to be respected. One unified champ. So in that regard props to Canelo for knocking over everyone who stepped up and honestly doing it in a forceful pressure posture. Whatever I think of their caliber or record depth etc what is a man to do but to dominate all he's faced within a year? Didn't play with his food or screw around with bad showings he simply beat them up broke them down and took what was theirs. Now...the next thing that goes with a dominate Champion is a champion who faces and beats the biggest baddest threats in said division. That's a huge difference from simply collecting trinkets in matches that you were predicted to win and in some cases right down to the ko round. I think that perspective can get lost in the wind and hoopla of all the GOAT and P4P talk. This was Caleb, a glue sniffing Billy Jo and Callum, not Leonard Hagler and Hearns or another deep golden era. To me personally there's work for him to do at 168 and the 800 lb gorilla in the room is Benavidez at 168 and as mandatory now that needs to be his next match. Not hippity hoping up to 175 first, or holding out for the 3rd Golovkin moving up or another Yildirim sanctioned torture show. Now's the time and if you're talking best ever and 'historical fighter' you're not going back to tin cans like that and not taking heat. But for now..Benavidez fights this weekend against decent enough late sub but undersized Kyrone Davis in what should be a brutal statement waiting to happen. It's all on the line for Benavidez. Keep the nose literally clean and no midnight trips to Whataburger and blowing weight. If Canelo wants a clean division make that fight. Canelo may very well mop the floor with him given his engaging aggressive style and you know what I'll do..well done Canelo much respect. Or we may see the belts fracture with some oddball obscure mandatory defense if Canelo chooses that route. Going to be interesting going forward for all parties concerned and all a guy can do is call it exactly how he sees it.

[Denilson3.0]

No body beats Roy Jones Jnr. He does not lose a second of a minute of a round of the fight against Canelo.

You know what ? You could very well be right

[SlimTrae]

No body beats Roy Jones Jnr. He does not lose a second of a minute of a round of the fight against Canelo.

You said Canelo could not knock out light middle weights and now suddenly he is stopping supermiddles and light heavyweights. Something is not right.

I agree. Prime RJJ set the trend for punchstats rearing zero-3 times hit per round!


However on the 2nd sentence- something's not right that Canelo sparks the heavier fighters is how I feel about a guy from the Phillipines...they both have something in common-

[SlimTrae]

I edited the previous as Pac was KO'ing boxers since he began. So I should correct myself & state he somehow kept his power as he went up in weight whereas Canelo was similar to that of Margarito- he, gained power as he went up.