Where does Tyson Fury rank in the Greatest Heavyweight list?

[Memphis]

Fury is the number one in the division. I think that's only fair and right. But for me the credit he's getting is outweighing what he's actually done. Wlad, Wilder, Whyte. Those are the highlights. Massive props to him for coming back from what he came back from, but it doesn't elevate his in ring achievements. As Primo said you don't get your named mentioned amongst the greats of the sport by beating Dillian Whyte.

He needs to fight and beat the Usyk Joshua winner to be considered the best of the era. Then if you're a glutton for punishment with lots of spare time. Go ahead and discuss his all time standing.

[Mark TKO]

Just reading Doug Fischers thoughts in the Ring Online how Fury would do against the ATGs.

I've cut and pasted the relevant part here. Again, just one man's opinion.

Fury vs Jack Johnson – Fury by close decision (in a bout scheduled for 10-to-15-rounds; if it the fight distance is 20 rounds or more, I’ve going with Li’l Arthur)

Fury vs Jack Dempsey – Fury by unanimous decision or late stoppage (but I think Dempsey has a shot at catching him in the early rounds)

Fury vs Joe Louis – Fury by close decision (but I think he has to survive some wobbly moments and maybe a knockdown)

Fury vs Rocky Marciano – Fury by late stoppage

Fury vs Sonny Liston – Liston by close decision (thanks to a knockdown or two)

Fury vs Muhammad Ali – Ali by unanimous decision

Fury vs Joe Frazier – Frazier by close decision

Fury vs George Foreman – Fury by close decision (but Big George, of course, has a real shot at clipping the Gypsy King)

Fury vs Larry Holmes – Holmes by unanimous decision

Fury vs Mike Tyson – Fury by unanimous decision (but just like Dempsey, Iron Mike has a real shot at ending the fight early)

Fury vs Evander Holyfield – Fury by close, maybe majority or split decision in a great fight

Fury vs Riddick Bowe – Big Daddy by close decision in a great fight

Fury vs Lennox Lewis – Lewis by unanimous decision

Fury vs Vitali Klitchsko – Klitschko by close decision in a mutually punishing fight

[TitoFan]

This is always a fun exercise. I'll add my own two cents.

Just reading Doug Fischers thoughts in the Ring Online how Fury would do against the ATGs.

I've cut and pasted the relevant part here. Again, just one man's opinion.

Fury vs Jack Johnson – Fury by close decision (in a bout scheduled for 10-to-15-rounds; if it the fight distance is 20 rounds or more, I’ve going with Li’l Arthur)

Fury vs Jack Dempsey – Fury by unanimous decision or late stoppage (but I think Dempsey has a shot at catching him in the early rounds) Agree

Fury vs Joe Louis – Fury by close decision (but I think he has to survive some wobbly moments and maybe a knockdown) Disagree. Louis by comfortable decision.

Fury vs Rocky Marciano – Fury by late stoppage Agree, although a wide decision win isn't out of the question.

Fury vs Sonny Liston – Liston by close decision (thanks to a knockdown or two) Liston?? Nah. Probably one of Fury's easiest decision wins.

Fury vs Muhammad Ali – Ali by unanimous decision Agree

Fury vs Joe Frazier – Frazier by close decision I can't have Fury losing to Frazier and beating Tyson further down. But then Frazier was a perpetual motion machine. Tossup for me.

Fury vs George Foreman – Fury by close decision (but Big George, of course, has a real shot at clipping the Gypsy King) I think George catches Fury late. Late stoppage for George.

Fury vs Larry Holmes – Holmes by unanimous decision Agree

Fury vs Mike Tyson – Fury by unanimous decision (but just like Dempsey, Iron Mike has a real shot at ending the fight early) Disagree. Mike catches him late and won't let him off the hook like Wilder did.

Fury vs Evander Holyfield – Fury by close, maybe majority or split decision in a great fight Close, but Evander wins

Fury vs Riddick Bowe – Big Daddy by close decision in a great fight Close, but Fury wins

Fury vs Lennox Lewis – Lewis by unanimous decision Agree

Fury vs Vitali Klitchsko – Klitschko by close decision in a mutually punishing fight Agree

I think Fury's sheer size give him the edge over a lot of these fighters. Plus he's not just big... he's mobile and knows how to box. Against Wilder he proved he can get up from a devastating punch. That's the "X" factor that gives him a chance against some of history's big punchers.

[Mark TKO]

Good idea - I didn't actually do my own

Just reading Doug Fischers thoughts in the Ring Online how Fury would do against the ATGs.

I've cut and pasted the relevant part here. Again, just one man's opinion.

Fury vs Jack Johnson – Fury by close decision (in a bout scheduled for 10-to-15-rounds; if it the fight distance is 20 rounds or more, I’ve going with Li’l Arthur)

Agree maybe not even close

Fury vs Jack Dempsey – Fury by unanimous decision or late stoppage (but I think Dempsey has a shot at catching him in the early rounds)

Agree

Fury vs Joe Louis – Fury by close decision (but I think he has to survive some wobbly moments and maybe a knockdown)

Louis by SD

Fury vs Rocky Marciano – Fury by late stoppage

Agree

Fury vs Sonny Liston – Liston by close decision (thanks to a knockdown or two)

Yep I don't get this prediction either. Liston would quit or be DQ around same time he did with Ali

Fury vs Muhammad Ali – Ali by unanimous decision

Agree totally

Fury vs Joe Frazier – Frazier by close decision

Fury stoppage late - size would tell

Fury vs George Foreman – Fury by close decision (but Big George, of course, has a real shot at clipping the Gypsy King)

George by KO within 5

Fury vs Larry Holmes – Holmes by unanimous decision

One of them by SD - pick em. SO I'll say Draw !

Fury vs Mike Tyson – Fury by unanimous decision (but just like Dempsey, Iron Mike has a real shot at ending the fight early)

Survive early rounds and I have Fury winning late. I think he would - Fury by late stoppage

Fury vs Evander Holyfield – Fury by close, maybe majority or split decision in a great fight

Fury by UD

Fury vs Riddick Bowe – Big Daddy by close decision in a great fight

Again - pick em. I'll say Fury by SD

Fury vs Lennox Lewis – Lewis by unanimous decision

Agree

Fury vs Vitali Klitchsko – Klitschko by close decision in a mutually punishing fight

Yep have to agree

[Mark TKO]

So I'm guessing I have Fury and Vitali as all time greats

[Master]

It's because of this kind of skillset that Fury possesses that many fans - and himself - have made claim to the 'The Gypsy King' ranking highly among the greatest heavyweights of all time.

Yet Atlas - who has been in the boxing game for over 40 years - heavily disagrees with all these claims.
"To start immediately saying that Tyson Fury is the greatest heavyweight of all time. Did you forget about guys named Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Rocky Marciano?

"Fury is the most versatile heavyweight that's been around for a hell of a long time. Technically sound, dimensional, he can do so many things brilliantly smart, and he's a great promoter too.
"To say he's the greatest British heavyweight of all time, I'm not gonna go nuts on that. But to say he's the greatest heavyweight in the history of the sport that's been around longer than any other sport in the world with the names I just finished throwing at you?"

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...970e718542291a

[mikeeod]

So tough to rank him historically because you end up ranking head to head vice actual accomplishments. I feel like he beat all styles (boxer, puncher, brawler, technical boxer…etc.). He also is an anomaly- so big and so mobile shouldn’t go together. He also has great skills, a great gas tank, and Holyfield size heart/determination. Head to head I’m not confident anyone in history beats him (not saying he is unbeatable, just saying I can’t look at one fighter and for certain say: “yep, he definitely beats Fury”).

Tyson has forced me to question my ATG rankings and move some of my top choices around. I rank based on historical significance, accomplishment, and quality of opposition. It’s why no one will ever beat Ali historically- he fought too many tough fighters and was an iconic figure. Joe Louis was iconic, but doesn’t have the level of competition that Ali does. Tyson Fury is similar to Larry Holmes to me (one of the fighters I have moved lower/below Fury)- I think he matches up well with anyone who ever fought but his level of competition isn’t as good as Ali, Evander, or Lennox. That being said, he was more consistent than Evander, and didn’t suffer the knockouts that Lennox did.

I still have Ali, Louis, Evander, Lewis, and maybe Foreman ahead of Tyson Fury, but even that will likely change. I agree that he is head and shoulders above anyone today in terms of skill, heart, and charisma. He is a great champion.

[Master]

Just because Tyson Fury could beat an ATG heavyweight does not make him ahead of them on the list. To be on the list you have to have been the best in your time, faced top fighters, beat all other challengers, have a number of successful defences and proved your greatness by facing some sort of adversity illustrating your heart, courage and desire.

Fury should only be considered when he beats AJ/Usyk, and defends against Joyce/Parker, Dubois/Bryan, faced undefeated fighters like Sanchez, Hrgovic or Ruiz/Ortiz.

[BIG H]

I still think he is bang average tbh.

[Primo Carnera]

Just reading Doug Fischers thoughts in the Ring Online how Fury would do against the ATGs.

I've cut and pasted the relevant part here. Again, just one man's opinion.

Fury vs Jack Johnson – Fury by close decision (in a bout scheduled for 10-to-15-rounds; if it the fight distance is 20 rounds or more, I’ve going with Li’l Arthur)

Fury vs Jack Dempsey – Fury by unanimous decision or late stoppage (but I think Dempsey has a shot at catching him in the early rounds)

Fury vs Joe Louis – Fury by close decision (but I think he has to survive some wobbly moments and maybe a knockdown)

Fury vs Rocky Marciano – Fury by late stoppage

Fury vs Sonny Liston – Liston by close decision (thanks to a knockdown or two)

Fury vs Muhammad Ali – Ali by unanimous decision

Fury vs Joe Frazier – Frazier by close decision

Fury vs George Foreman – Fury by close decision (but Big George, of course, has a real shot at clipping the Gypsy King)

Fury vs Larry Holmes – Holmes by unanimous decision

Fury vs Mike Tyson – Fury by unanimous decision (but just like Dempsey, Iron Mike has a real shot at ending the fight early)

Fury vs Evander Holyfield – Fury by close, maybe majority or split decision in a great fight

Fury vs Riddick Bowe – Big Daddy by close decision in a great fight

Fury vs Lennox Lewis – Lewis by unanimous decision

Fury vs Vitali Klitchsko – Klitschko by close decision in a mutually punishing fight

Ok , so this is getting ridiculous. We’re putting guys into ATG status when all they’ve beaten is tomato cans. To be fair to Fury, that’s all that is around to beat. So here are my unpopular opinions.

B]Fury vs Jack Johnson –

Fury vs Jack Dempsey –
Complete waste of time . You can’t compare people in a sport 100 years apart ffs. It’s like saying the vikings would be able to win battles against modern day soldiers with tanks, airplanes and fucking mad machine guns and stuff.

Fury vs Joe Louis – Louis . He beat my namesake easy, so why wouldn’t he beat Fury? Yes Fury can move for a big guy, but he looks good doing it because everybody’s crap. There’s levels to everything.

Fury vs Rocky Marciano – Probably Fury. I mean , he’d be fighting a LHW who wasn’t even much of a mover.


Fury vs Sonny Liston – prime Liston before getting sussed out by Clay would’ve made Fury shit his pants.

Fury vs Muhammad Ali – Ali whichever way he wanted to.

Fury vs Joe Frazier – Frazier wouldn’t give him a second’s peace.

Fury vs George Foreman – Foreman knocks him out. We think of Foreman as a bit of a Mummy because of the way Ali took the piss. But nobody else makes him look like that, and he fought and beat some amazing fighters.

Fury vs Larry Holmes – Holmes by unanimous decision

Fury vs Mike Tyson – Prime Mike Tyson sparks him out. When Tyson was at his peak , he was better against the big guys.he used his smaller size as a plus.

Fury vs Evander Holyfield – Holyfield by unanimous decision. Like Frazier, Fury would feel like he’s got a rash all over him.

Fury vs Riddick Bowe – Bowe.

Fury vs Lennox Lewis – Lewis by stoppage. (And I never even liked Lewis.)

Fury vs Vitali Klitchsko – Klitschko late stoppage [/B]