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whats the argument being made, that Canelo is (or isnt?) a bona fide middleweight? Honestly trying to follow it here.

Honest question. I'll answer it as best I can.

The real point of the argument is that I claim GGG has a distinct disadvantage against Ginger because he's never been a bonafide super middle.

TIC argues that GGG has no such disadvantage, because GGG has fought at super middle.

I counter that having fought ONE fight at 163 hardly makes him a bonafide super middle... and thus the disadvantage argument holds.

TIC latches onto my having said that GGG has never fought at super middle as a mistake (pretty much like a dog with a bone)... and uses that technicality to try and build his argument that GGG is a legitimate super middle and thus a threat to Ginger. (Perfect example of Flawed Reasoning).

In reality, TIC is now more focused on my mistake, rather than the real point of the argument which is what I mentioned earlier.

It explains why none of the veterans here like to argue anything with TIC.
the real point of the argument is that you think ggg is over the hill & i don't think ggg has slipped to that degree. i have already agree that canelo will probably have a size advantage come fight night. your claim, the fact is ggg has fought at one sixty for his entire career. is wrong. i have never said ggg is a legitimate super middleweight but i do believe ggg is a threat to canelo or anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight fighting ggg at one sixty or one sixty eight
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And I'll reiterate my points as to why GGG is a walk in the park for Ginger, and why Ginger gets no credit from me for beating GGG this time around.

  1. GGG is not a bonafide super middle. He fought exactly ONE fight at 163, which demostrates he's not comfortable at 168. Meanwhile, Ginger has TWICE fought at 175, and is perfectly suited to fight at 168, his true weight. It's a size mismatch.
  2. GGG is 40 years old. Clear to everyone except deluded casual fans as being significantly beyond one's peak, especially at weights lower than heavyweight.
  3. Ginger has lost exactly TWO decisions in Vegas. (This time I said it right, lest TIC latch onto a keyboard mistake to further his argument). One was against Floyd, who gave him a shutout and still managed to get only a majority decision, thanks to one of Ginger's judges. The other was Bivol, who gave Ginger a comprehensive boxing lesson and the judges still managed to score it closer than it should have been.
  4. GGG was already robbed against Ginger. To expect to win a decision with Ginger's judges firmly in tow, is being pretty unrealistic. GGG's only chance is by KO, and Ginger's chin is already a proven commodity.



You're welcome.
you believe ggg will be a walk in the park for canelo & you won't give canelo any credit if canelo beats ggg this time around. i have never said ggg is a bonafide super middle. i feel differently but we won't know until the fight is over. i feel you are making it out to be a walk in the park for canelo so that if canelo does struggle or lose then you can crow about canelo losing or struggling against a fighter you believed to be over the hill. i have never said ggg is a bonafide super middle & i don't think anyone else has either in this thread. that is an argument you have made up to attack. i just corrected your claim, the fact is ggg has fought at one sixty for his entire career. ggg only having fought at super middleweight one time only demonstrates he has only fought at super middleweight one time. where's your proof to back up that ggg is not comfortable at super middleweight? canelo has fought at twice at light heavyweight & is probably better acclimatized to super middleweight than ggg. if canelo makes the weight at the weigh in then the fight is a super middle, canelo will probably have a size advantage but i disagree that it is a size mis match. ggg is forty & i have already said he is not in his prime & has slipped but i wouldn't call ggg over the hill, he is still performing at a high level & is a difficult fight for anyone around the weight. canelo has lost two decisions in vegas. i thought ggg won the first fight but thought canelo one the second. i don't think it's unrealistic to expect to win a decision against canelo, dmitry just did it in canelo's last fight. i also disagree that ggg's only chance is by knockout. canelo's chin is already a proven commodity