Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[TitoFan]

Really is surprising how under the radar this has been and low key rolled out. Even though it's passed shelf life etc well it is Canelo . Just 10 days out and all I'm seeing is lots of Alycia Baumgardner vs Mikaela Mayer and the Shields-Marshall card. Really want Golovkin to pull it off and want to see Bam Rodriquez, but just cannot do it.

At this point just want to see GGG keep his chin tucked in and finish on his feet. Wasted potential.

I want him to do the opposite and take the fight to Canelo. When the time is right to knock out Saul or go out on his shield. Triple G has had a great career.

I would normally agree with you. However... between "knock out Saul" and "go out on his shield"... I think 99.9989% of boxing fans deep down inside expect the latter.

Frankly, although "going out on his shield" would be a more fan-friendly fight... in this case I'd rather him do whatever it takes to see the final bell. That would be a moral defeat for Ginger, who is fully expected to knock GGG out.

"C'mon GGG! Last the 12 rounds!!"

[NoSavingByTheBell]

There are those in the majority that feel GGG is getting KTFO. I can see a good argument for that view. And a good question for that crowd as well. But before we get to that question, just think how much more of a "moral defeat" it would be for Canelo if he lost --- in however manner --- clearly getting KTFO by GGG would be more embarrassing than losing to GGG on points. Remember, we're just talking about the crushingness to Cinnamon's career/legacy here (not the probability of such). I think we can all agree that if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor or worse, that THAT would be the ultimate moral defeat. But on to the original question for the majority crowd: so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

[TitoFan]

...if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor...

Some people fantasize about having a million dollars. This is mine.

...so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

Unfortunately, it'll be either the "grind-down" or the "deep blue sea". But no way Ginger blasts out GGG in the first couple of rounds. GGG is too sturdy and too much of a professional for that.

But Ginger KNOWS the judges are firmly in his corner.

A GGG decision win is not only out of the question. It's is as plausible as Flat Earthers admitting they've been wrong all these years. So when you have that kind of knowledge, you can rest assured that your opponent is forced to try and win by knockout... which will of course only work in Ginger's favor.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

...if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor...

Some people fantasize about having a million dollars. This is mine.

...so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

Unfortunately, it'll be either the "grind-down" or the "deep blue sea". But no way Ginger blasts out GGG in the first couple of rounds. GGG is too sturdy and too much of a professional for that.

But Ginger KNOWS the judges are firmly in his corner.

A GGG decision win is not only out of the question. It's is as plausible as Flat Earthers admitting they've been wrong all these years. So when you have that kind of knowledge, you can rest assured that your opponent is forced to try and win by knockout... which will of course only work in Ginger's favor.

I read many years ago that in Karagandy, Kazakhstan, that GGG used to fight in the streets from the age of 10. I am hoping he has some old school feints or tricks up his sleeve that he can pull out in desperate moments like say in Round 5 when it becomes clear it is not going in his favor, and catch the younger "more corporate" 'Ging by surprise. It's how Foreman caught Moorer supposedly: he instinctively inched closer at a certain unexpected moment -- the opposite of what Moorer expected -- and with that extra inch he put Moorer right on the end of his sneaky punch.

So anyway, good post, so it's Grind Down vs Deep Blue Sea? WHat a way for GGG to end his career, if that is the case.

[Spicoli]

There are those in the majority that feel GGG is getting KTFO. I can see a good argument for that view. And a good question for that crowd as well. But before we get to that question, just think how much more of a "moral defeat" it would be for Canelo if he lost --- in however manner --- clearly getting KTFO by GGG would be more embarrassing than losing to GGG on points. Remember, we're just talking about the crushingness to Cinnamon's career/legacy here (not the probability of such). I think we can all agree that if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor or worse, that THAT would be the ultimate moral defeat. But on to the original question for the majority crowd: so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

Does make you think about Canelo all but 'needing' to score the ko for complete full resolution to the trilogy and what if any level of extra pressure that creates. Let's be honest Canelo isn't exactly an all-out attacking force and hasn't been ashamed to coast on a lead or two. In fairness he does possess some calculating poise...but I wonder what irony and criticism of him simply taking a 12 round decision would open him up to. Especially since 101 year old Golovkin will be coming to the ring using a walker and a full-time nursing assistant after all. Surely, he won't go rounds let alone make the distance .

[TitoFan]

There are those in the majority that feel GGG is getting KTFO. I can see a good argument for that view. And a good question for that crowd as well. But before we get to that question, just think how much more of a "moral defeat" it would be for Canelo if he lost --- in however manner --- clearly getting KTFO by GGG would be more embarrassing than losing to GGG on points. Remember, we're just talking about the crushingness to Cinnamon's career/legacy here (not the probability of such). I think we can all agree that if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor or worse, that THAT would be the ultimate moral defeat. But on to the original question for the majority crowd: so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

Does make you think about Canelo all but 'needing' to score the ko for complete full resolution to the trilogy and what if any level of extra pressure that creates. Let's be honest Canelo isn't exactly an all-out attacking force and hasn't been ashamed to coast on a lead or two. In fairness he does possess some calculating poise...but I wonder what irony and criticism of him simply taking a 12 round decision would open him up to. Especially since 101 year old Golovkin will be coming to the ring using a walker and a full-time nursing assistant after all. Surely, he won't go rounds let alone make the distance .

I'm gonna be honest, Spicoli. Regardless of his usual M.O., I think Canelo comes wading in this time. He knows he's bigger than Golovkin. Hell... I'd be willing to bet on a healthy weight difference by fight time. He's taken Golovkin's shots before, and knows his own beard is fairly sturdy. He's worked himself up into a lather of dislike against GGG, to the point he's said he wants to end his career. (Mind you... GGG's career is already ending... but that's beside the point ). He knows he'll have the crowd behind him, the judges behind him, etc, etc. He's coming off an embarrassment against Bivol, and he's itching to get that sour taste out of his mouth (and his followers' mouths as well). IMO, this is a perfect storm scenario and... maybe I'm one of the few who see this... but everything is perfectly set up for a KTFO win for Canelo. Once it's over, Canelo's fans will be singing his praises, like it's some kind of legacy-building victory... while I'll be on my soapbox saying what I've always said. That this was nothing but a foregone conclusion.

[Spicoli]

There are those in the majority that feel GGG is getting KTFO. I can see a good argument for that view. And a good question for that crowd as well. But before we get to that question, just think how much more of a "moral defeat" it would be for Canelo if he lost --- in however manner --- clearly getting KTFO by GGG would be more embarrassing than losing to GGG on points. Remember, we're just talking about the crushingness to Cinnamon's career/legacy here (not the probability of such). I think we can all agree that if GGG knocks Canelo into a glassy-eyed stupor or worse, that THAT would be the ultimate moral defeat. But on to the original question for the majority crowd: so Canelo knocks GGG out, huh? OK fair enough, but what round are we talking here? Are we talking a first round blast-out like Lennox vs Golota? A mid-rounds grind-down like say 6-7-8? Or a "take him out to the deep blue sea" 10-11-12 round smashing like Fury/Wilder 3?

Does make you think about Canelo all but 'needing' to score the ko for complete full resolution to the trilogy and what if any level of extra pressure that creates. Let's be honest Canelo isn't exactly an all-out attacking force and hasn't been ashamed to coast on a lead or two. In fairness he does possess some calculating poise...but I wonder what irony and criticism of him simply taking a 12 round decision would open him up to. Especially since 101 year old Golovkin will be coming to the ring using a walker and a full-time nursing assistant after all. Surely, he won't go rounds let alone make the distance .

I'm gonna be honest, Spicoli. Regardless of his usual M.O., I think Canelo comes wading in this time. He knows he's bigger than Golovkin. Hell... I'd be willing to bet on a healthy weight difference by fight time. He's taken Golovkin's shots before, and knows his own beard is fairly sturdy. He's worked himself up into a lather of dislike against GGG, to the point he's said he wants to end his career. (Mind you... GGG's career is already ending... but that's beside the point ). He knows he'll have the crowd behind him, the judges behind him, etc, etc. He's coming off an embarrassment against Bivol, and he's itching to get that sour taste out of his mouth (and his followers' mouths as well). IMO, this is a perfect storm scenario and... maybe I'm one of the few who see this... but everything is perfectly set up for a KTFO win for Canelo. Once it's over, Canelo's fans will be singing his praises, like it's some kind of legacy-building victory... while I'll be on my soapbox saying what I've always said. That this was nothing but a foregone conclusion.

We shall see my friend, we shall see. We'll, I guess we won't the night of because I'm def not paying for it . Not saying it won't happen exactly as you lay out..but it sure sets up a complete and total "nothing to gain and everything to lose" scenario for our lil bespeckled Ginger and his fanbase with the boatload of diva assumptions.

[mrbig1]

I don't know why but I don't care about this fight at all.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

It's getting interesting though. Spicoli makes the great observation that that IS quite a bit of pressure on 'Clen to score the KO, and Tito also adds to that very same argument about 'Clen needing to get rid of that "sour taste in his mouth" of the Bivol embarrassment. A perfect storm, one could argue the flip side, for "Clen to overplay/overexert his hand and in his haste, well BOOM!, punches have been known to catch some off guard at the least expected moment. Let's be honest, how many times have we seen over-cocky fighters promising a KO, or itching so bad for one that they get blitzed in their haste? Good point about getting worked up "into a lather of dislike" too. That lather could depending on how lathery he has gotten himself really get him to take his eye off the ball just for a split second and the old wily street fight could, technically, strike at that right moment. We will see for sure. But the most BORING outcome here would be a "Clen UD or even SD. Even "Clen wouldn't be happy with that. So he could certainly in his zeal overplay his hand and that could spell unexpected disaster.