What should Usyk do next?

[Master]

oleksandr should fight the juggernaut. tyson looks like he's on the coke again

I think Usyk will want to face someone easier like the US fighters Wilder or Ruiz. Especially since he said he wanted to face Canelo.

Hanging onto little sound bites like “wanting to fight Canelo” to try to discredit Usyk. He said he wanted Fury first and then Canelo would be for shits,giggles and money. He wanted to clean out the division first and take care of business.
What’s your hero Fury’s reason for bottling Joshua and wanting to fight Charr?

I was actually discrediting the US fighters not Usyk.

Fury offered AJ the contest after Usyk said he would not be ready to fight. He is the next best available contender. If it is not agreed then both are to blame.

[Primo Carnera]

oleksandr should fight the juggernaut. tyson looks like he's on the coke again

I think Usyk will want to face someone easier like the US fighters Wilder or Ruiz. Especially since he said he wanted to face Canelo.

Hanging onto little sound bites like “wanting to fight Canelo” to try to discredit Usyk. He said he wanted Fury first and then Canelo would be for shits,giggles and money. He wanted to clean out the division first and take care of business.
What’s your hero Fury’s reason for bottling Joshua and wanting to fight Charr?

I was actually discrediting the US fighters not Usyk.

Fury offered AJ the contest after Usyk said he would not be ready to fight. He is the next best available contender. If it is not agreed then both are to blame.

Joshua has no blame whatsoever. All he has said was he accepts. He hasn’t shouted his mouth off and if Fury, the promoters and the TV companies can’t sort it , that’s not on AJ.
It’s on Fury because he was the one saying HE Was offering AJ the opportunity.

[Master]

"After I get rid of Tyson Fury, I'm going to talk to Wilder," said Usyk to ESNEWS when told that yesterday was Wilder's 37th birthday.

It now appears that, should Usyk defeat Fury, he will face Wilder in his next fight. He has already defeated Anthony Joshua on two occasions and the American may be deemed the next step.

However, one of the sanctioning bodies could order Usyk to make a mandatory defence of one of his belts against a chosen challenger, so Wilder could be left waiting. The 37-year-old could be a frustrating matchup for Usyk thanks to his 6'7" frame.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...c9a3dd67f77528

[Master]

Oleksandr Usyk is eager to agree an undisputed clash against Tyson Fury before March next year.

After successfully defending his IBF, WBO and WBA heavyweight titles against Anthony Joshua in August, the undefeated Ukrainian insisted he would not rush back into the ring, ending hopes of the Fury fight taking place before the end of the year.

But a shot at the WBC heavyweight title to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis remains his top priority.

Talks are underway between both camps but Usyk insists a fight must take place before 4 March or wait until later in the year.

‘Right now my team is seeking conversations with Tyson Fury, and he is really an unpredictable person, so we can’t guarantee when,’ Usyk said at Web Summit in Lisbon.

‘For me, the idea would be to fight maybe early February or the beginning of March, like March 4, because I am an orthodox Christian.

‘During the great fasting before Easter I do not fight, so it should be all before or then after orthodox Easter (April 16).

‘I want to fight with Fury because I need the fourth belt, and I don’t want to fight with anyone else until I have the fourth belt.’

February had been suggested as a possible date for Fury vs Usyk, with the former set to defend his belt against Derek Chisora at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on 3 December.

Usyk returned to Ukraine following the Russian invasion in February this year to enlist in defence forces, temporarily delaying his rematch with Joshua.

The former cruiserweight king would like to bring the Fury fight back to his homeland, but admits Saudi Arabia is a more likely destination.

‘The organisers are trying to figure out where they can earn more money. For me, yes, I would really like to fight in Ukraine. The country is really capable of hosting this kind of fight.

‘I would be really happy to see it happen in the Olympic Arena in Ukraine. But it is not me who chooses the venue, so I guess it will (this time) be Saudi Arabia.’

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/more...a285de71123f63

[TitoFan]

I wouldn't even venture to guess as to what Usyk or any of these guys should do next.

One thing for sure is that the merry-go-round that is heavyweight talk, nego- (cough) "negotiations", posturing, and calling out of others... will put a glaze over anybody's eyes.

But let's look at the champ and top contenders (at least as far as The Ring is concerned), and see what they're saying today:

Joshua has said he wants: Dillian Whyte (whom he knocked out in 2015), plus the fearsome Otto Wallin and the household name Filip Hrgovic. No mention of Wilder or Fury.

Usyk has said he wants Fury and then Wilder, although it is reported that instead of Wilder he would probably be forced to face a mandatory.

Wilder has said he wants: Fury (forget it, Deontay), Joshua, and Usyk.

Fury is off to face Chisora, who he's already beaten twice... is a retread... and has 12 losses to his record. After that it's anybody's guess.

Side note: Fury gets pissed off when his upcoming slaughter of Chisora is called a mismatch. Of course he does. Hell... Fury's got one foot out the door of boxing anyway.



So what does all of this mean, other than we'll probably never get the fights we want?

I like Usyk and Wilder's attitudes (other than Wilder wanting Fury again ). Let's go get it, and dispense with the nonsense.

[Primo Carnera]

I wouldn't even venture to guess as to what Usyk or any of these guys should do next.

One thing for sure is that the merry-go-round that is heavyweight talk, nego- (cough) "negotiations", posturing, and calling out of others... will put a glaze over anybody's eyes.

But let's look at the champ and top contenders (at least as far as The Ring is concerned), and see what they're saying today:

[B]Joshua has said he wants: Dillian Whyte (whom he knocked out in 2015), plus the fearsome Otto Wallin and the household name Filip Hrgovic. No mention of Wilder or Fury.[/B]

Usyk has said he wants Fury and then Wilder, although it is reported that instead of Wilder he would probably be forced to face a mandatory.

Wilder has said he wants: Fury (forget it, Deontay), Joshua, and Usyk.

Fury is off to face Chisora, who he's already beaten twice... is a retread... and has 12 losses to his record. After that it's anybody's guess.

Side note: Fury gets pissed off when his upcoming slaughter of Chisora is called a mismatch. Of course he does. Hell... Fury's got one foot out the door of boxing anyway.



So what does all of this mean, other than we'll probably never get the fights we want?

I like Usyk and Wilder's attitudes (other than Wilder wanting Fury again ). Let's go get it, and dispense with the nonsense.

When did Joshua say he wants Whyte, Wallin or Hrgovic? I’ve seen Whyte mentioned just because he’s probably one of the biggest names that’s available.
No mention of Fury? Fury offered him the fight, Joshua agreed to everything, Fury started putting deadlines in , the fight never got made. JOSHUA WAS THE ONLY BLAMELESS PERSON IN THE WHOLE FIASCO.
No mention of Wilder? In the last 2 weeks, all I’ve heard from Hearn is that he’s been in contact with Finkel and Finkel is dragging his heels replying. And when he does , it’s very negative.
We must read different sources I suppose.

[TitoFan]

I wouldn't even venture to guess as to what Usyk or any of these guys should do next.

One thing for sure is that the merry-go-round that is heavyweight talk, nego- (cough) "negotiations", posturing, and calling out of others... will put a glaze over anybody's eyes.

But let's look at the champ and top contenders (at least as far as The Ring is concerned), and see what they're saying today:

[B]Joshua has said he wants: Dillian Whyte (whom he knocked out in 2015), plus the fearsome Otto Wallin and the household name Filip Hrgovic. No mention of Wilder or Fury.[/B]

Usyk has said he wants Fury and then Wilder, although it is reported that instead of Wilder he would probably be forced to face a mandatory.

Wilder has said he wants: Fury (forget it, Deontay), Joshua, and Usyk.

Fury is off to face Chisora, who he's already beaten twice... is a retread... and has 12 losses to his record. After that it's anybody's guess.

Side note: Fury gets pissed off when his upcoming slaughter of Chisora is called a mismatch. Of course he does. Hell... Fury's got one foot out the door of boxing anyway.



So what does all of this mean, other than we'll probably never get the fights we want?

I like Usyk and Wilder's attitudes (other than Wilder wanting Fury again ). Let's go get it, and dispense with the nonsense.

When did Joshua say he wants Whyte, Wallin or Hrgovic? I’ve seen Whyte mentioned just because he’s probably one of the biggest names that’s available.
No mention of Fury? Fury offered him the fight, Joshua agreed to everything, Fury started putting deadlines in , the fight never got made. JOSHUA WAS THE ONLY BLAMELESS PERSON IN THE WHOLE FIASCO.
No mention of Wilder? In the last 2 weeks, all I’ve heard from Hearn is that he’s been in contact with Finkel and Finkel is dragging his heels replying. And when he does , it’s very negative.
We must read different sources I suppose.

We must.

Quoted an article from The Sun. They may or may not be reputable, who knows.

I stand by my point about the heavyweights being more a soap opera than a boxing division. Too much blah blah blah... very little action. Particularly at the top 4 or 5 level.

[Master]

I wouldn't even venture to guess as to what Usyk or any of these guys should do next.

One thing for sure is that the merry-go-round that is heavyweight talk, nego- (cough) "negotiations", posturing, and calling out of others... will put a glaze over anybody's eyes.

But let's look at the champ and top contenders (at least as far as The Ring is concerned), and see what they're saying today:

[B]Joshua has said he wants: Dillian Whyte (whom he knocked out in 2015), plus the fearsome Otto Wallin and the household name Filip Hrgovic. No mention of Wilder or Fury.[/B]

Usyk has said he wants Fury and then Wilder, although it is reported that instead of Wilder he would probably be forced to face a mandatory.

Wilder has said he wants: Fury (forget it, Deontay), Joshua, and Usyk.

Fury is off to face Chisora, who he's already beaten twice... is a retread... and has 12 losses to his record. After that it's anybody's guess.

Side note: Fury gets pissed off when his upcoming slaughter of Chisora is called a mismatch. Of course he does. Hell... Fury's got one foot out the door of boxing anyway.



So what does all of this mean, other than we'll probably never get the fights we want?

I like Usyk and Wilder's attitudes (other than Wilder wanting Fury again ). Let's go get it, and dispense with the nonsense.

When did Joshua say he wants Whyte, Wallin or Hrgovic? I’ve seen Whyte mentioned just because he’s probably one of the biggest names that’s available.
No mention of Fury? Fury offered him the fight, Joshua agreed to everything, Fury started putting deadlines in , the fight never got made. JOSHUA WAS THE ONLY BLAMELESS PERSON IN THE WHOLE FIASCO.
No mention of Wilder? In the last 2 weeks, all I’ve heard from Hearn is that he’s been in contact with Finkel and Finkel is dragging his heels replying. And when he does , it’s very negative.
We must read different sources I suppose.

Heavyweight Anthony Joshua says he wants to fight 'good opponents' like Otto Wallin and Dillian Whyte

"I like fighting good opponents," Joshua told DAZN. "Yeah, I'll fight Otto. Yeah, I'll fight Dillian. I'll fight Hrgovic."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/li...adio_five_live

[boxericecreamfigpeas]

It will be interesting to see how Usyk's plan plays out and if he can achieve his goals before retiring. It will be a great way to end his career and cement his legacy as one of the greatest boxers of all time.

[Master]

Oleksandr Usyk has declared that the undisputed heavyweight title fight with Tyson Fury must be made.

"I need this fight and that's it. I think he needs it too. This fight is very important for both of us," Usyk told The Overlap.

"All four belts haven't been held by one person," Usyk said, pointing out it has been two decades since the heavyweight division had an undisputed champion.

"So both of us need this fight."

He does expect Fury to be even more of a challenge than Joshua. "Yes of course, he has a different style," Usyk said. "Fury is more audacious."

"I'm not afraid of Tyson Fury," the Ukrainian declared. "This will be like any other fight. It's just a big man who has never lost before against a man who has the WBC belt.

"Of course it's possible to get carried away but actually this is a normal fight for the right to win all the belts.

"If a person is bigger than me, it doesn't mean they're stronger than me. If they have longer arms, it doesn't mean that it will be an advantage.

"I've been boxing since I was 15 years old. They kept telling me that I shouldn't be boxing. They told me that I wouldn't become an Olympic champion or a world champion and that I shouldn't have switched to the heavyweight division.

"But these were opinions from people who couldn't do it themselves. Personally I keep praying and move forward. I don't worry about whether I will reach my destination.

"It's like a samurai. He doesn't have an aim, he has his path. I have my path too."

He is inspired by his country's fight to resist the Russian invasion. He served in the Ukrainian defence force at the beginning of the all-out war last year and now represents Ukraine through his sport.

"I'm boxing for everyone who is defending our country right now and in the memory of those warriors who are no longer with us," he said.

"Also for all those who want to be free and who stood for their country against those who came to conquer us."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...c2332b75&ei=99

[TIC]

[Master]

Frank Warren told talkSPORT: "We're still none the wiser.

"You need the agreement of both boxers to make it happen and at the moment we haven't got that."

Warren admits the purse split is a major sticking point over the first undisputed title fight in over a quarter of a century.

He said: “I have a pot and out of that pot I can only pay what’s in it.

"And if it’s not enough money the fight won’t happen, at the end of the day we’re running a business."

But he insists he's doing everything in his power to get the fight over the line, adding: “We’re working hard to make it happen.

“And, with the greatest respect, I didn’t ring talkSPORT to do an interview about it, you rang me.

“So, out of courtesy I’m telling you where we are, but I’m not going to be conducting negotiations at the moment they’re confidential between the two parties.

“But, I would say it’s not going to go past the end of this week that’s for sure because the proposed date is April 29."

He continued: "No one wants to see this fight more than me, no one has ever promoted the four belts, it’s never happened.

"So it’s history-making.

"I want it, but I can’t force people into a situation unless they’re comfortable.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21623...-fight-update/

[TIC]

tyson v oleksandr isn't happening next is it?

[Denilson3.0]

Usyk and his team's track record is impeccable and there has never been any problems from their side getting fights made with any of his other opponents. They have a reputation as being the most transparent, most honest, and easiest to deal with people in the whole of boxing (Joshua, Bellew, Hearn, Chisora, Arum, everyone confirmed it time and again to be the case)

Fury doesn't fancy his chances against Usyk and he'll duck him. He's not scared of Usyk. It's more risk / reward. Despite all the talk the Fury's do of being the best and the gyspy king and Usyk being a middleweight. They know DAM WELL that Usyk is a MASSIVE challenge. That's why Fury's eyes light up when it comes to fighting The Dosser for a 4th time or a fight against a MMA fighter who has a 0-0-0 boxing record. They're lower risk fights with pretty much the same reward as fighting Usyk. That's why he'll duck Usyk

He pretty much said it himself. Same as he ducked the Vlad rematch. Same as he ducked Joshua (when AJ was undefeated)

60/40 to the winner is very fair, especially given the huge physical advantages, age advantage, and the equally huge advantage Belly will have in his favour of fighting at home.

And Fury will be given free licence to octopus grab and foul the much smaller man

[Master]

Tyson Fury sends Oleksandr Usyk ‘take-it-or-leave it’ ultimatum on Instagram as undisputed fight hangs in balance

“I see all this talk of boxing fights and ‘Usyk wants 50 per cent’ and ‘Tyson is being greedy’.

“But - where I am standing - Usyk and his team are only worth 30 per cent.

“You either take it or you leave it.”

“If you don’t want it, go and fight Daniel Dubois at the Copper Box and gert a few million dollars,” he added.

“You want to make some real money, come and fight the Gypsy King.

“I will say, for every day from today that you linger, mess around, I will deduct one per cent from the 30 per cent.

“So every day I will deduct one per cent, until you take it. And if you don’t take it then fight Dubois for two million dollars, not a problem.

“But how in the world could you ever offer me a deal? Not possible. Tick tock, tick tock, p*****s.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21666...isputed-fight/