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Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Andre Ward was unbeatable at super middleweight and faced far better fighters than Canelo did at the weight. He also faced a peak Kovalev who was a beast at light heavyweight at the time.

Ward would beat Canelo at these weights, but he was the smaller fighter so not a fair comparison.

Canelo would be the better pound for pound fighter as the equivalent would be Ward winning at cruiserweight or even heavyweight
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I gave your post a like, but I disagree with the part in bold.
1. You say Canelo is a “smaller fighter”, but that doesn’t matter because SMW is his weight. He WAS a MW, but he is no longer and never ever will be. If they’re the same weight class , it doesn’t matter if he’s smaller, it’s his choice not to make MW.
2. You say the equivalent would be Ward going to CW or HW. not true . The equivalent would be Ward going from SMW to LHW, WHICH HE DID! (He probably could’ve gone to CW as well.)
3. Ward dominated SMW more than Canelo dominated MW or SMW. and by your admission, Ward achieved more at LHW than Canelo. So why is Canelo better p4p ?
Let us not forget, Ward never lost, so we can only surmise as to whether X,Y or Z would beat him . Whereas Canelo has lost a couple of times , so we KNOW he can get beat.
I say Canelo is the better p4p and smaller fighter because he was champion at light middleweight which you have somehow forgotten.
I hadn't forgotten , but i don't see it makes any difference. Are you saying that Pound for Pound should be judged on How Many weights you have won titles at rather than Quality ? if so , I have loads of problems with this.
for Example , and I'm going to regret asking this , but who is the better Boxer p4p , Floyd or Manny ? Manny won titles at a gazillion weights, but you would be in a huge minority if you put him above Floyd p4p.
think back to when they were both Boxing and Floyd was always #1 and Manny was always #2 . please don't become a revisonalist and somehow try to get out of that.
Also , How come Wlad was so high on the p4p lists? or any HW in history going by your way of thinking ??
I reckon you need to go and think about this .