Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[Master]

I have thought about it and one of the main factors for p4p is based on how well you have done at other weights.

Manny is the better p4p fighter than Floyd. Hearns is better than Leonard.

Wlad dominated the division and had many defences which is why he was near the top.

Besides some of Canelo's best wins were at light middleweight.

Nah Mate, you are wriggling here big time, but I ain’t letting you off the hook. So many contradictions.
Can you be higher ranked p4p than your opponent, even if your opponent beat you ?
So , for example, most people rank Crawford higher than Spence p4p, but if Spence beat Crawford, would that still be the case?
Wlad dominated so he’s near the top. Guess what? Ward dominated……….. the only difference is WARD WAS NEVER BEATEN.
I totally see why you would rate Hearns highly, fuck me, I would . But Leonard not only beat him, but he also beat another guy that beat Hearns in Hagler.
So you can’t possibly put him above Leonard. It’s not like SRL didn’t do it at multiple weights.
Don’t get me wrong, I said the other week, if Hearns had beaten SRL and if he hadn’t thrown his game plan out the window against Hagler, we would’ve looked at his career very differently. He may have even been #1 on the all time list. But unfortunately those things never happened.
Trust me, nobody would’ve loved that scenario more than me. Hearns is one of my all time faves.
All of those things I’ve mentioned about SRL & Hearns, you could say the same about Floyd & Manny. But I’m not going to bother, because you clearly can’t be objective when it comes to Floyd.
Finally, you finished off your post trying to justify your view by saying some of Canelo’s best wins were at LMW.
So go on then, tell me which defences at LMW are good enough to elevate him above Ward?

Excellent post and some great points. I sometimes forget what a good poster you are.

You can be ranked higher p4p than your opponent who has beaten you depending on the circumstances. So far Crawford has spent the majority of his career at the lighter weights, although this is the longest, he has stayed at any weight. So, his case is weakening if he stayed at the weight any longer and loses to Spence.

Just because Wlad lost does not mean you can not be ranked high on the p4p list because he dominated the weight and had loads of defences against the best available challengers.

I am not going to criticise Ward to make my points as he is a great underrated boxer.

Hearns won more titles at multiple weights and in a better fashion than Leonard who manipulated the fights to achieve his progression.

There is not one single fight at light middleweight that Canelo won that would rank him higher than Ward but the fact that he was the best at the weight and beat Trout and Lara help his case.

[TIC]

Excellent post and some great points. I sometimes forget what a good poster you are.

i wouldn't call misrepresenting what you said excellent posting

[Primo Carnera]

Excellent post and some great points. I sometimes forget what a good poster you are.

i wouldn't call misrepresenting what you said excellent posting

well @Master would, so there you go. @Master, you are very kind and it is always a pleasure to debate with you without things getting too accusatory or heated. And if I'm honest, if it ever does, it's usually from my side , which I apologise for in advance.
@TIC , stop being a sulky pants and spitting the dummy out and behave like a rational adult !

[TIC]

Excellent post and some great points. I sometimes forget what a good poster you are.

i wouldn't call misrepresenting what you said excellent posting

well @Master would, so there you go. @Master, you are very kind and it is always a pleasure to debate with you without things getting too accusatory or heated. And if I'm honest, if it ever does, it's usually from my side , which I apologise for in advance.
@TIC , stop being a sulky pants and spitting the dummy out and behave like a rational adult !

i wouldn't. primo carnera i have always been polite to you in our discussions, it's unfortunate you can't do the same