Who should AJ fight next?

[Primo Carnera]

It’s not about being a fan or not. It’s not even about who beats who.
It’s about the fact that you implied that fights didn’t get made because of Joshua, when Infact all the fights that didn’t get made with Wilder and Fury were because of everybody EXCEPT Joshua.
I don’t even believe Joshua is that great, but I don’t think the other 2 clowns are either.

[TitoFan]

It’s not about being a fan or not. It’s not even about who beats who.
It’s about the fact that you implied that fights didn’t get made because of Joshua, when Infact all the fights that didn’t get made with Wilder and Fury were because of everybody EXCEPT Joshua.
I don’t even believe Joshua is that great, but I don’t think the other 2 clowns are either.

Well... you can speak for Joshua (uh... no, actually, you can't)... but you can't speak for his manager.

Making an offer of 80/20 to an opponent is another way of saying: "We have no intention of fighting you... and making this insulting offer is a way of saying we wanted to, when we actually didn't."

It's not about who's that great and who isn't.

[Beanz]

It’s not about being a fan or not. It’s not even about who beats who.
It’s about the fact that you implied that fights didn’t get made because of Joshua, when Infact all the fights that didn’t get made with Wilder and Fury were because of everybody EXCEPT Joshua.
I don’t even believe Joshua is that great, but I don’t think the other 2 clowns are either.

Well... you can speak for Joshua (uh... no, actually, you can't)... but you can't speak for his manager.

Making an offer of 80/20 to an opponent is another way of saying: "We have no intention of fighting you... and making this insulting offer is a way of saying we wanted to, when we actually didn't."

It's not about who's that great and who isn't.

That is lovely and all that but does nothing to deal with the FACT that two years ago now Wilder admitted he would have made more money fighting Joshua but decided to duck him and fight Fury instead. It has nothing to do with any kind of desire to protect Joshua's reputation. Wilder ducked him then admitted as much publicly.

[Primo Carnera]

It’s not about being a fan or not. It’s not even about who beats who.
It’s about the fact that you implied that fights didn’t get made because of Joshua, when Infact all the fights that didn’t get made with Wilder and Fury were because of everybody EXCEPT Joshua.
I don’t even believe Joshua is that great, but I don’t think the other 2 clowns are either.

Well... you can speak for Joshua (uh... no, actually, you can't)... but you can't speak for his manager.

Making an offer of 80/20 to an opponent is another way of saying: "We have no intention of fighting you... and making this insulting offer is a way of saying we wanted to, when we actually didn't."

It's not about who's that great and who isn't.

2 sides to every story. YES, he got offered 20% (I think it increased to 30-35% , but I might be mistaken.) BUT that 20% at the time equated to 5 TIMES Wilder’s biggest ever purse!
Let’s be clear, Wilder’s team were just as capable of making Joshua’s team an offer, but they never.
Pure and simple reason being that at the time (and probably still now.) it was Joshua that brings the money.
That’s why Wilder at the time couldn’t make an offer………because they weren’t capable of making an offer anywhere near Joshua/Matchroom’s.
So are you suggesting that Team Joshua, bring the money, do the promotion, sort out everything and then give it all to Wilder , who brings FUCK ALL to the title apart from a belt, of which Joshua already had some.

[Primo Carnera]

Scenario.
AJ says to Wilder “I’ll give you £10 million and I get £40 million.
Wilder says to Joshua - no 50/50 we both get £10 million.
WOULD YOU TAKE IT?

[TitoFan]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

[Primo Carnera]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

You’re right, yes it was , great memory.and I agree I don’t want to dredge all that up again.
And you’re also right that we weren’t there. That’s why I try to focus on the facts. But like you say, it’s gone and pretty pointless going on about it.

[TitoFan]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

You’re right, yes it was , great memory.and I agree I don’t want to dredge all that up again.
And you’re also right that we weren’t there. That’s why I try to focus on the facts. But like you say, it’s gone and pretty pointless going on about it.

If nothing else, this inspired a new thread for me. It's about negotiations that become frustrating to fans. I may have missed a few, but it's a good discussion.