Who should AJ fight next?

[Primo Carnera]

It’s not about being a fan or not. It’s not even about who beats who.
It’s about the fact that you implied that fights didn’t get made because of Joshua, when Infact all the fights that didn’t get made with Wilder and Fury were because of everybody EXCEPT Joshua.
I don’t even believe Joshua is that great, but I don’t think the other 2 clowns are either.

Well... you can speak for Joshua (uh... no, actually, you can't)... but you can't speak for his manager.

Making an offer of 80/20 to an opponent is another way of saying: "We have no intention of fighting you... and making this insulting offer is a way of saying we wanted to, when we actually didn't."

It's not about who's that great and who isn't.

2 sides to every story. YES, he got offered 20% (I think it increased to 30-35% , but I might be mistaken.) BUT that 20% at the time equated to 5 TIMES Wilder’s biggest ever purse!
Let’s be clear, Wilder’s team were just as capable of making Joshua’s team an offer, but they never.
Pure and simple reason being that at the time (and probably still now.) it was Joshua that brings the money.
That’s why Wilder at the time couldn’t make an offer………because they weren’t capable of making an offer anywhere near Joshua/Matchroom’s.
So are you suggesting that Team Joshua, bring the money, do the promotion, sort out everything and then give it all to Wilder , who brings FUCK ALL to the title apart from a belt, of which Joshua already had some.

[Primo Carnera]

Scenario.
AJ says to Wilder “I’ll give you £10 million and I get £40 million.
Wilder says to Joshua - no 50/50 we both get £10 million.
WOULD YOU TAKE IT?

[TitoFan]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

[Primo Carnera]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

You’re right, yes it was , great memory.and I agree I don’t want to dredge all that up again.
And you’re also right that we weren’t there. That’s why I try to focus on the facts. But like you say, it’s gone and pretty pointless going on about it.

[TitoFan]

So I ask the both of you... what impression did you get from Joshua himself when talking to him about the negotiations with Wilder?
Did you get the sense that he and his team really wanted to fight Deontay?
Was Joshua's team serious about making the fight?

Oh... that's right... you weren't there.

Neither was I. Which is why I won't get into a "Wilder ducked Joshua... no... Joshua ducked Wilder debate."

All I know is the end result. After months of soap opera haggling... Fury swooped in and fought Wilder instead. Personally... I was relieved.




Now, Primo... is my memory correct? Was it you and Swanson posting page after page after page of "Wilder's ducking Joshua... no... it's the other way around"? Serious question.

Because if it was, I certainly don't want to revisit that.

I stopped theorizing about "X" ducking "Y" or "Y" ducking "X" a long time ago. It's pointless... and in the end, none of us were there.

You’re right, yes it was , great memory.and I agree I don’t want to dredge all that up again.
And you’re also right that we weren’t there. That’s why I try to focus on the facts. But like you say, it’s gone and pretty pointless going on about it.

If nothing else, this inspired a new thread for me. It's about negotiations that become frustrating to fans. I may have missed a few, but it's a good discussion.

[Master]

Not to ressurect the AJ v Wilder discussion again but didn't Wilder offer an insane amount to AJ which was refused because they beleved the money was not there?

[Mark TKO]

It's all a pathetic merry go round.

A ruiz rubber match would sell next. One he should win but will be interesting for the fans.

[Spicoli]

If going by ratings and return strictly, call up Michael Hunter. Maybe a Martin Bakole or Wallin. Still think he has some things to sort out, namely his camp and confidence, and at home he could blow it up in return with those as first steps. Definitely would take all over Arreola .

[Primo Carnera]

See now my thinking is a little different to most on this. I don’t think he’s as “mentally fragile” as everyone would have us believe.
Yes, he had a meltdown last time out , and the throwing of the belts is inexcusable, but in the cold light of day he realised he was wrong and made his apologies.
He basically lost twice in a row to somebody who I think would beat every other HW out there.
The style match up is a nightmare for AJ, But nobody else is capable of doing what Usyk does, not even Fury.
People say Fury has good hands , great technique and is nimble on his feet , “FOR A BIG GUY”, but nowhere near Usyk.
All him and the other heavies have on Usyk is size and reach.
Personally I believe Joshua should fight the highest ranked HW available.
Eddie is shitting himself, because it’s his golden ticket.but Joshua doesn’t need tune ups and all that bollocks. Nor do any of them.
Just go out there, fight the best guy you can to stay relevant and worth your purse.

[palmerq]

Bakole would be a good one, he gave Yoka a bit of a thrashing but he's a bit unknown even in Britain I think... Bakole would be best off taking on an old but still fairly good gatekeeper....like chisora ah yes the number one ranked heavyweight is fighting chisora, again.

[nuggetdotcom]

Primo Carnera

[Master]

Eddie Hearn has confirmed the five potential fights for Anthony Joshua when he returns to the ring next year. Hearn previously coined Dillian Whyte as the 'frontrunner'. However, he is not the only opponent in consideration.

Deontay Wilder, Filip Hrgovic, Zhang Zhilei, Otto Wallin, and the winner of Whyte vs Jermaine Franklin on November 26 are all possible options according to the Matchroom Boxing chief.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...911a33532555fa