At least 59 dead, 100 injured in Las Vegas shooting

[TIC]

1. For the umpteenth time, understand that no one here is under any obligation to prove anything to you. You seem to have this puzzling notion (and obnoxious insistence) that we here need to "prove" things to you.

if someone claims that something is real then the burden of proof falls on those making the claim to prove

2. Mistakes made in reporting a tragedy are not the same as lies.

i agree mistakes are not the same as lies. i gave you a way to prove a lie in a story

2. People die...

how did you verify this to be true?

3. You have a track record here. You're a COVID denier... you've questioned Sandy Hook... you claim Alex Jones is just an actor instead of the brain-dead moron he actually is... and now you find glee in a photoshopped image from the Las Vegas tragedy. Not an empathetic bone in your body... not a sympathetic comment toward those who have been touched by tragedy. No. Just your tired, cynical, always skeptical self... even making light of tragedies such as Las Vegas. With that track record, many of us are going to have knee-jerk reactions to most of your comments. It's only natural.

yea i deny the claim that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, from person to person, through the air or off surfaces. i have asked repeatedly for almost three years for anyone that believes that claim to be true to provide me the details & processes they used to verify the claim to be true. i still haven't received anything that i can use to verify that claim. yes sandy hook has many questions. alex jones is more than just an actor but he is an actor, go check his imdb page. yes that image from the las vegas story makes me laugh. not believing a story doesn't mean i don't have empathy. why would i be sympathetic about something i don't know to be true? those twin sisters doing their little cheer was hilarious. i'm not interested in your feels

4. Conspiracy theorists are in vogue nowadays. You complained about my labeling you as one some time ago. But yet you check all the boxes. You refuse to believe in anything... and latch onto any source (reputable or not) that strives to find cracks in stories in order to label them as lies. Everything has some sinister plot behind it. There can't be a simple shooting spree nowadays... because conspiracy theorists will descend on the story like a pack of hyenas... even making shit up if they have to... just to get their rocks off.

you have said many times you don't like to label people but do it anyway. i don't refuse to believe anything. i believe lots of things, difference between you & i is i don't push my beliefs as facts on to others. please show me what sources i am latching on to. i ask questions. i gave you a way to verify a lie. here we go with the misrepresenting again, where have i said everything has some sinister plot behind it? simple shooting sprees don't have lies. i don't make stuff up, i ask for proof of a claim so i can verify it myself.

5. To you, those of us who have the discernment to separate fact from fiction are blind sheep. To us, you are hopelessly cynical and a serial denier. You claim all these outlandish conspiracies, yet cannot back any of them up... and instead insist on ordering others to prove shit to YOU. This may work on some weak ass people who are easily intimidated by conspiracy theorists... but it's laughable to the rest of us.

i don't see you as a blind sheep, i see you as someone who is too lazy to verify the truth for yourself. you are happy to put your faith & trust in others & believe, rather than know. if that is good enough for that is fine. it is not good enough for me. please provide specific details on what outlandish conspiracies i have claimed to be true. the burden of proof lies with those making the claim that something is real. it's laughable that you don't understand burden of proof

6. In the past, it was the National Enquirer. A tabloid newspaper with the most outlandish stories and their mission to sell papers at the supermarkets with their bogus headlines. Nowadays, with social media and so much technology out there... you've got dozens if not hundreds of fake news outlets that cater to the serial unbelievers, the conspiracy theorists. Go figure... there's actually a media site called "Puppet String News." Aptly named... but surely with a significant blind following. Sad.

nothing to do with me here

I don't give a shit how many blunders were made in the reporting of the Las Vegas shooting

another misrepresentation. where did i say anything about blunders in the reporting?

There was a shooting spree and people died.

please provide the details on how you verified this claim you are making to be true, so i can also verify your methods

If you want to spend your life poring over every single little omission or mistake to say "AHA!!" and claim some mental superiority... yes... that's a sad way to live.

mistakes aren't lies. you have been given a way to verify a lie but have chosen to remain ignorant. where have i ever claimed any sort of mental superiority? i'm just looking for truth. what i think is a sad way to live, is to state things as facts & then contradict yourself moments later or to just put your faith & trust in others & not verify things to be true for yourself. you can believe those things, but that is not knowing them to be true

[TitoFan]

part 1

1. For the umpteenth time, understand that no one here is under any obligation to prove anything to you. You seem to have this puzzling notion (and obnoxious insistence) that we here need to "prove" things to you.

if someone claims that something is real then the burden of proof falls on those making the claim to prove

you claim that it is not real. You're the one deviating from what the story claims. You're the one saying it's a lie. The burden of proof is on you. Now hop to it.

2. mistakes made in reporting a tragedy are not the same as lies.

i agree mistakes are not the same as lies. I gave you a way to prove a lie in a story

once again... You're claiming they're lies. Lies are purposeful misinformation. Prove that they're purposeful misinformation, and not reporting mistakes.

2. People die...

how did you verify this to be true?

personally? I didn't. Did you verify that they didn't die? Works both ways. I've got tons and tons of reports from credible, accepted sources on my side. You've got what? Prove nobody die... Then we'll talk.

3. You have a track record here. You're a covid denier... You've questioned sandy hook... You claim alex jones is just an actor instead of the brain-dead moron he actually is... And now you find glee in a photoshopped image from the las vegas tragedy. Not an empathetic bone in your body... Not a sympathetic comment toward those who have been touched by tragedy. No. Just your tired, cynical, always skeptical self... Even making light of tragedies such as las vegas. With that track record, many of us are going to have knee-jerk reactions to most of your comments. It's only natural.

yea i deny the claim that covid is a virus caught from outside the body, from person to person, through the air or off surfaces. I have asked repeatedly for almost three years for anyone that believes that claim to be true to provide me the details & processes they used to verify the claim to be true. I still haven't received anything that i can use to verify that claim. Yes sandy hook has many questions. Alex jones is more than just an actor but he is an actor, go check his imdb page. Yes that image from the las vegas story makes me laugh. Not believing a story doesn't mean i don't have empathy. Why would i be sympathetic about something i don't know to be true? Those twin sisters doing their little cheer was hilarious. I'm not interested in your feels

and i'm not interested in your denials over a global pandemic. I'm not even interested if you think the whole virus was "made up." contrary to you... I don't give a rat's ass whether you can "prove" your beliefs or not.

And let's not kid ourselves. A person who makes fun of every tragedy that pops up in the news doesn't have an empathetic bone in his body. Not judging, mind you. It's ok to lack empathy.

[TitoFan]

Part 2

4. Conspiracy theorists are in vogue nowadays. You complained about my labeling you as one some time ago. But yet you check all the boxes. You refuse to believe in anything... and latch onto any source (reputable or not) that strives to find cracks in stories in order to label them as lies. Everything has some sinister plot behind it. There can't be a simple shooting spree nowadays... because conspiracy theorists will descend on the story like a pack of hyenas... even making shit up if they have to... just to get their rocks off.

you have said many times you don't like to label people but do it anyway. i don't refuse to believe anything. i believe lots of things, difference between you & i is i don't push my beliefs as facts on to others. please show me what sources i am latching on to. i ask questions. i gave you a way to verify a lie. here we go with the misrepresenting again, where have i said everything has some sinister plot behind it? simple shooting sprees don't have lies. i don't make stuff up, i ask for proof of a claim so i can verify it myself.

I don't like to label people, but when the evidence is overwhelming that a label fits a person, I see no reason not to use it. It's not an insult. It's a category which you happen to fall under. I don't push my beliefs on anyone. I state my opinions as we're all free to do here. It's a forum. Opinions are welcome. Obviously, yours don't match the majority of the people here. Again that's not an insult. It's a fact. Nothing wrong with being an outlier. What's wrong is trying to railroad people into your way of thinking. And let's be real shall we? You look for holes in stories in order to shoot down the whole occurrence. Me? While I don't rule out the why, the who, or what else might be involved... the fact of the matter is tragedies do occur. And they're sad and reprehensible.

5. To you, those of us who have the discernment to separate fact from fiction are blind sheep. To us, you are hopelessly cynical and a serial denier. You claim all these outlandish conspiracies, yet cannot back any of them up... and instead insist on ordering others to prove shit to YOU. This may work on some weak ass people who are easily intimidated by conspiracy theorists... but it's laughable to the rest of us.

i don't see you as a blind sheep, i see you as someone who is too lazy to verify the truth for yourself. you are happy to put your faith & trust in others & believe, rather than know. if that is good enough for that is fine. it is not good enough for me. please provide specific details on what outlandish conspiracies i have claimed to be true. the burden of proof lies with those making the claim that something is real. it's laughable that you don't understand burden of proof

I pick and choose what I verify and what I question. I choose not to waste my time purposely looking for holes in stories unless what I'm looking for is in some way related to that. When people start saying such and such an assassin is a Trump supporter, or a white supremacist, or whatever... THAT'S when I verify and question. I don't verify and question the dead bodies with grief-stricken families that are shown in every major news outlet with dozens of witnesses. I don't live my life that way.

6. In the past, it was the National Enquirer. A tabloid newspaper with the most outlandish stories and their mission to sell papers at the supermarkets with their bogus headlines. Nowadays, with social media and so much technology out there... you've got dozens if not hundreds of fake news outlets that cater to the serial unbelievers, the conspiracy theorists. Go figure... there's actually a media site called "Puppet String News." Aptly named... but surely with a significant blind following. Sad.

nothing to do with me here

I don't give a shit how many blunders were made in the reporting of the Las Vegas shooting

another misrepresentation. where did i say anything about blunders in the reporting?

Did I say you said anything about blunders?? You certainly go out of your way to create arguments where there aren't any. Call it strawman arguments... call it whatever new buzzword you want. I'm not into buzzwords.

There was a shooting spree and people died.

please provide the details on how you verified this claim you are making to be true, so i can also verify your methods

No. I'm not going to waste my valuable time entertaining your cynical mind. Get somebody else to verify what everyone else accepts as a fact.

If you want to spend your life poring over every single little omission or mistake to say "AHA!!" and claim some mental superiority... yes... that's a sad way to live.

mistakes aren't lies. you have been given a way to verify a lie but have chosen to remain ignorant. where have i ever claimed any sort of mental superiority? i'm just looking for truth. what i think is a sad way to live, is to state things as facts & then contradict yourself moments later or to just put your faith & trust in others & not verify things to be true for yourself. you can believe those things, but that is not knowing them to be true

If you claim a mistake isn't a mistake but actually a lie, that is your far-reaching belief. You're assigning intent. Thus, the onus is totally on you to prove it's not a mistake, but a purposeful lie. But you won't, because even when you've been backed into a corner, you don't admit defeat. I am an adult. I don't have time for this shit.

[greynotsoold]

Something that I have learned since this happened...the eldest child of my first girlfriend is a survivor of that occurence. She is still a gun owner, hunts, owns an Ar-15.

[TIC]

Something that I have learned since this happened...the eldest child of my first girlfriend is a survivor of that occurence. She is still a gun owner, hunts, owns an Ar-15.

yea i don't see why anyone would give up their ability to feed & protect themselves, i also love that you said occurrence, rather than tragedy or shooting

[TitoFan]

Something that I have learned since this happened...the eldest child of my first girlfriend is a survivor of that occurence. She is still a gun owner, hunts, owns an Ar-15.

Which sounds perfectly reasonable. No one would expect a person to give up owning guns, especially if they hunt, just because they survived a shooting spree.

What is interesting is that she's a survivor of that occurrence.

If it was fake or staged, there would be no such thing as "survivors."

Thanks for sharing. Sometimes it takes a personal story to nail an argument shut.