Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??

[Beanz]

First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.

Let's address the white elephant in the room.

Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.

People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.

People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough.

Let's examine this one...



Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.

Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.

People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.

Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.



So let's quit pussy-footing around!!

Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.

Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.

Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.

You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.

Sorry to sit on the fence.

Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.

If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.

Fury list of opponents is shit, as are Wilder's. AJ Wilder should have happened years ago and Wilder has admitted he avoided Joshua, but at least he fought 'the man' instead.

Fury loves an easy fight.

[Mark TKO]

I'm doubting any of these fights with the top guys will happen. I saw something yesterday saying Usyk must face Dubois.

It really is pathetic isn't it. Gone are the days of fighting 3 or 4 times a year.

[Master]

Becoming undisputed champion for either Fury or Usyk is the priority for boxing. It carries the most money, legacy for the boxers, and ensures the decency of boxing. The mandatory’s will get their opportunity after the titles are dispersed which is what happened after it was last unified by Lennox.

The next biggest fight is Fury v AJ which can still be made but AJ looks too confused and lost.

Wilder v AJ is still a big fight but AJ will only take it as a last resort. After all the above scenarios have occurred I can see it happen but it is a long shot.

Big matchups still happen way after their best sell by date. Lennox v Morrison, Holyfield v Mercer, and Tyson v Holyfield.

[Mark TKO]

Becoming undisputed champion for either Fury or Usyk is the priority for boxing. It carries the most money, legacy for the boxers, and ensures the decency of boxing. The mandatory’s will get their opportunity after the titles are dispersed which is what happened after it was last unified by Lennox.

The next biggest fight is Fury v AJ which can still be made but AJ looks too confused and lost.

Wilder v AJ is still a big fight but AJ will only take it as a last resort. After all the above scenarios have occurred I can see it happen but it is a long shot.

Big matchups still happen way after their best sell by date. Lennox v Morrison, Holyfield v Mercer, and Tyson v Holyfield.

I'd say we're well past the stage of getting to undisputed champion is a priority. Fighters should just have to concentrate on beating the best - politics does not allow it.

I'd love two fighters brave enough to say fuck the belts we'll get it on anyway. I've ignored different champions for some time and gone by the Ring champion.

A unified championship would be split before one of them makes a defence - we all know it. How does that ensure the decency of boxing.

[Master]

Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.

Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.

[Mark TKO]

its bollocks and you know it

[Master]

its bollocks and you know it

We are nearly there, after many years, for either Fury or Usyk to become undisputed champion which is a priority.

The 2 best fighters will fight one another. It's a win for boxing. The winner will become the "Man" who everyone else has to beat regardless of what happens afterwards to the belts.

[nuggetdotcom]

Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.

Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.

When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight

The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream

[Master]

Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.

Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.

When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight

The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream

Usyk beating Joshua

[Beanz]

Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.

Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.

When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight

The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream

[ykdadamaja]

no.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.

Let's address the white elephant in the room.

Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.

People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.

People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough.

Let's examine this one...



Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.

Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.

People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.

Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.



So let's quit pussy-footing around!!

Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.

Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.

Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.

You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.

Sorry to sit on the fence.

Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.

If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.

Fury list of opponents is shit, as are Wilder's. AJ Wilder should have happened years ago and Wilder has admitted he avoided Joshua, but at least he fought 'the man' instead.

Fury loves an easy fight.

If he's the man, I guess that means he's good. I don't think anybody can beat Fury. Even the cream of the crop heavyweights from the 1970s and '80s and '90s would have a hard time. Guys like razor ruddick could never do it. Tommy Morrison would get completely out classed. Pink lon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, fury would just toy with these guys.

Only Lennox Lewis and Riddick bowe and a prime Larry Holmes, a prime George Foreman would really stand the chance of beating fury

Now do another pumpkin ale review. It was epic and I wish we could see it again. Even dark lord loved that review and mentioned it a few months back. It's the season