Will Wilder-Joshua EVER happen??

[Primo Carnera]

I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.

Many weren't surprised mind

The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.

It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”

AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.

He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.

The fact that he was not favourite by its definition does make it a surprise.

Not ignoring the question. I do not know what it means. You explain it to me if you wish.

It means the last time you were ringside or went to a big show. Don’t ask me why, I never asked the original question , and quite frankly after taking 20 posts to get a straight answer out of you , I’m losing the will to live!

[Mark TKO]

Just checked and I've not been to a fight for 13 years. Doubt I will again. Would never do a stadium fight.

So I've kind of retired

Posted this originally in the football thread somehow....

[Master]

I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.

Many weren't surprised mind

The minority were not surprised. It was an upset at the time.

It might have been a surprise to you , but it wasn’t a surprise to most. And did you “put your bum on an expensive seat?”

AJ was favourite. Stop rewriting history.

He was favourite, But it wasn’t a surprise. And you can ignore the other part if you like, crack on. It was part of the question.

The fact that he was not favourite by its definition does make it a surprise.

Not ignoring the question. I do not know what it means. You explain it to me if you wish.

It means the last time you were ringside or went to a big show. Don’t ask me why, I never asked the original question , and quite frankly after taking 20 posts to get a straight answer out of you , I’m losing the will to live!

Never been. Bought PPV but not for a long time now.

[nuggetdotcom]

Does not matter as much about defending the undisputed and unified title than achieving it. There are too many belts to be able to defend them successfully anyway.

Boxing has to aspire to have one champion and if it can be achieved which it can on this occasion then it will happen.

When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)
When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch
When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight

The answers to the above questions will explain why pub fighting (aka MMA/UFC etc.) is taking over the mainstream

Usyk beating Joshua

With all due respect if you think Usyck was a 'surprise' win, let me know if you ever get a job with a bookmaker. Tight verdict, even controversial was the game plan, with the draw in reserve. Usyck cleverly (some would say routinely) made it impossible for the fix to come in by doing a Buster Mathis on slow-witted Joshua, TWICE. Happy Christmas.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

First off... let's not go into the usual rants about "who ducked whom" in the past. I'm only interested in the future.

Let's address the white elephant in the room.

Let Tyson Fury fight the Derek Chisoras of the world, and continue to flap his gums non-stop.

People want to see Wilder vs Joshua.

People don't want to see a heavyweight version of Crawford-Spence. One of those is more than enough.

Let's examine this one...



Both are currently out of the HW title picture. AJ has lost twice in a row to Usyk... while Wilder lost his last two encounters with Fury.

Neither are over-the-hill... and both are still huge draws.

People have wanted Wilder-Joshua since Day One. They STILL do.

Wilder-Joshua would definitely be fan friendly. Their styles make this an absolute certainty.



So let's quit pussy-footing around!!

Forget Joshua-Ruiz III. Nobody wants to see that.

Just like nobody wants to see Joshua-Usyk III, or Wilder-Fury IV.

Let's get Wilder and Joshua in the ring together.

You might say Wilder v Joshua is a huge draw, a more analytical statement would be that they both have no chance against Fury or Usyck and are completely over hyped by the promotions/media/middle east money establishment, making money out of deadbeats until the next generation replace Fury/Usyck.

Sorry to sit on the fence.

Fury himself has made a career fighting deadbeats, look at his record without Wilder and it is shockingly bad. Wilder for all the fodder in his record has fought Fury three times now and Joshua has just fought Usyck twice. That puts Wilder and Joshua firmly in place as the other two top draws in a top pack of four. The AJ/Wilder fight itself would be pretty huge and whatever you think of their ability, Wilder v Usyk would be pretty big and Joshua v Fury would be even bigger.

If fury is shit then why give wilder credit for fighting him three times.

Fury list of opponents is shit, as are Wilder's. AJ Wilder should have happened years ago and Wilder has admitted he avoided Joshua, but at least he fought 'the man' instead.

Fury loves an easy fight.

If he's the man, I guess that means he's good. I don't think anybody can beat Fury. Even the cream of the crop heavyweights from the 1970s and '80s and '90s would have a hard time. Guys like razor ruddick could never do it. Tommy Morrison would get completely out classed. Pink lon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, fury would just toy with these guys.

Only Lennox Lewis and Riddick bowe and a prime Larry Holmes, a prime George Foreman would really stand the chance of beating fury

Now do another pumpkin ale review. It was epic and I wish we could see it again. Even dark lord loved that review and mentioned it a few months back. It's the season

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I remember you were certain Joshua would win so fair enough.

Many weren't surprised mind

He wouldn't listen to me. I told him that Joshua would lose. I told everybody that Joshua wasn't much of a fighter about five or six years ago. I told everybody that Tyson fury was the man. Only Ross and I were right about Tyson fury. Everybody else just said he wouldn't be much. So I correctly predicted the career trajectories of Anthony Joshua and Tyson fury.

It's true that Master was a little bit too high about Anthony Joshua. Beans also got to wrapped up in the politics of it all when it came to Anthony Joshua and overestimated his value as a boxer

[nuggetdotcom]

In answer to my original question to Master...... My own answers

When was the last time you saw a surprise outcome in a HW title fight (don't say Usyck Joshua)

Tyson Douglas, although we are led to beleive cocaine was responsible

When was the last time you saw a HW title fight that could have gone either way, and was followed by an obligatory rematch

Tyson Holyfield

When was the last time you placed your bum on an expensive seat for a HW title fight

Haye Klitschko in Hamburg, it was worth the flight and hotel money to be treated well by the promoter as a customer. The fight with Valuev for an alphabet title was even better organised in Nurnburg, I beleive Saurland was the promoter but could be wrong.

Since Christmas is coming up its time for me to stop sitting on the fence and say what I really think, as an ageing boxing fan who has supported every British HW champ in their quests for world titles controlled by the boxing mafia.

Both Wilder and Joshua are media/promoter created manufactured fighters who couldn't box kippers, they were brought through on a diet of also ran opponents until they could get into a ring with the main promoters men, only to then join an exclusive pantomime.

Fighters like Fury and Usyck are born, not made by some over the hill trainer on a percentage. Fury is clever enough to commercially exploit his situation as a genuine world No. 1, Usyck is just so amazed at how bloody useless the HW 'opposition' is and can't beleive his luck, he would benefit from Fury's advisers to maximise his income.

There, I've said it

Merry Christmas and a happy new year