Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April 1st

[Primo Carnera]

Just to be clear

When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.

Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................

The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.

Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.

I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!

Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.

I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.

Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.

No, but you alluded to the fact that Audley would’ve raked it in.
But he had the same chances that AJ had. The difference is that you have to back up the hype with a bit of substance.

I think you'll find nosavingbythebell said that, not me, the substance bit is surely the stuff of debate, and everyone's got an opinion.

So what does Your comment “ I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!” Imply?
Brock just latched onto that like he does.

[nuggetdotcom]

Just to be clear

When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.

Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................

The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.

Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.

I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!

Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.

I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.

Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.

No, but you alluded to the fact that Audley would’ve raked it in.
But he had the same chances that AJ had. The difference is that you have to back up the hype with a bit of substance.

I think you'll find nosavingbythebell said that, not me, the substance bit is surely the stuff of debate, and everyone's got an opinion.

So what does Your comment “ I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!” Imply?
Brock just latched onto that like he does.

Sick that if he was 12 years younger, won an olympic title in 2012 he would have got the same media hype as AJ did, ie miles better than his attempt in 2000 and miles more lucrative than 100k per fight off the bloody BBC. I dont seem to have made that clear.

[Primo Carnera]

Like I said, he had his there was plenty of hype around Audley, but the difference is that he never produced enough to back up the hype. And then it stops.

[nuggetdotcom]

Like I said, he had his there was plenty of hype around Audley, but the difference is that he never produced enough to back up the hype. And then it stops.

And MY point was nothing to do with the relative ABILITIES of two olympic champions, which are obviously debateable. I was pointing out the VAST difference in 'hype' money that 12 years generated, and that Audley must wish he was born 12 yrs later, is that clear?

If you want to pick a fight about comparing the two as boxers, go and find somebody who gives a fuck.

[Primo Carnera]

Like I said, he had his there was plenty of hype around Audley, but the difference is that he never produced enough to back up the hype. And then it stops.

And MY point was nothing to do with the relative ABILITIES of two olympic champions, which are obviously debateable. I was pointing out the VAST difference in 'hype' money that 12 years generated, and that Audley must wish he was born 12 yrs later, is that clear?

If you want to pick a fight about comparing the two as boxers, go and find somebody who gives a fuck.

Fucks sake, We’ll leave it there. Nobody was picking a fight. All I said was Joshua backed up the hype, that’s why it continued, Audley never.
I never compared the 2 in any other way.
The only one comparing ABILITIES, was somebody who tried to compare Herbie Hide with Bruno , Cooper and AJ by their records.
Anyway, let’s not bother anymore. Agree to disagree.