Vasyl Lomachenko v Devin Haney

[Ron Swanson]

So much is being made of size difference understandably. Both are clearly facing different directions with point in careers. But I cannot get away from a big picture, just don't know the actual depth of Haney based on a George Kambosos. Just how aggressive is Haney going to level up and commit to some power work. It'll take it to neutralize the tighter quicker footwork of Loma up close. I think Lomas best chance is using that squat stance and can actually get a lot done on the inside. Can't see this being a jousting contest. Whole different fight if Haney commits to getting physical, shoulder blocks twist clinching etc. That's the size difference..

For me it’s all about if Haney can force Loma to keep resetting. I don’t think anyone in the sport uses more false steps than Loma. I’m watching Loma vs Campbell right now and just out of curiosity I counted his cross steps in the 5th round. 35! That’s 35 occasions which he can’t attack and can be forced to reset. That isn’t even considering how often he rhythm steps, which is even more often. If Haney can keep him resetting on all his false steps the fight is easy. But does Haney have that much skill? He has the speed of hand and foot, so it’s really just a question of skill. They were really smart about generally putting Loma against guys with slow feet to exaggerate Loma. (I don’t say this to bash, just more as a matter of fact. It’s 78 degrees outside and they matched Loma well,,,,, while hard) I have my doubts about Haney but Saturday night he could lift a lot of them.

Edit-and the size, Loma fought Campbell, bigger, Nakatani, bigger, Lopez, bigger. Never mentioned it before, it’s a bad look to mention it now

Edit 2-I think Loma has gotten away with many bad habits by being so damn good. You would never teach someone to fight like Ali, or Roy Jones, the greats get away with doing the wrong things. Switched up to Loma vs Teo, still the same thing, loads of false steps. He takes less false steps when he gets aggressive but he can be taken out of his aggression if he’s uncomfortable preparing for it. Drop the hammer when his feet are wrong, it’s often

Into 3rd round of Teo/Loma and Loma just rhythm stepped and Teo charged getting off a combination. Teo saw it, and again Loma rhythm stepped at the ropes and Teo got off a combination.

[Spicoli]

So much is being made of size difference understandably. Both are clearly facing different directions with point in careers. But I cannot get away from a big picture, just don't know the actual depth of Haney based on a George Kambosos. Just how aggressive is Haney going to level up and commit to some power work. It'll take it to neutralize the tighter quicker footwork of Loma up close. I think Lomas best chance is using that squat stance and can actually get a lot done on the inside. Can't see this being a jousting contest. Whole different fight if Haney commits to getting physical, shoulder blocks twist clinching etc. That's the size difference..

For me it’s all about if Haney can force Loma to keep resetting. I don’t think anyone in the sport uses more false steps than Loma. I’m watching Loma vs Campbell right now and just out of curiosity I counted his cross steps in the 5th round. 35! That’s 35 occasions which he can’t attack and can be forced to reset. That isn’t even considering how often he rhythm steps, which is even more often. If Haney can keep him resetting on all his false steps the fight is easy. But does Haney have that much skill? He has the speed of hand and foot, so it’s really just a question of skill. They were really smart about generally putting Loma against guys with slow feet to exaggerate Loma. (I don’t say this to bash, just more as a matter of fact. It’s 78 degrees outside and they matched Loma well,,,,, while hard) I have my doubts about Haney but Saturday night he could lift a lot of them.

Edit-and the size, Loma fought Campbell, bigger, Nakatani, bigger, Lopez, bigger. Never mentioned it before, it’s a bad look to mention it now

Seems to be the immediate go-to for many picking Haney. Bigger is great. But what are you doing with and it effects both he and Loma down the stretch. To keep Loma resetting...who's mentality/ aggression is also up for question if we recap the early Teo rounds...think he's going need to play the pressure. Love to see that switch rather than jabbing down the middle too often. Loma does get too cute, gets happy feet operating angles and spinning out. Basically I think if Haney can be the bully..fight his size..he makes it much easier. At some point Loma just looks to wrap around guys inside like a Boa constrictor. Haney pushes him on his heels Loma is in deep. Warmed to this fight really. Never been big on either one as a fan but let's have at it.

[Denilson3.0]

Black fighters are cleaning house.

First Tank squashed Ryan Garcia. Now another hyped up white fighter in Loma is gonna get beat and what will make this even better is that Loma will get schooled at his own game. Haney will out box him and make it look easy. I love it.

[TitoFan]

[Primo Carnera]

Black fighters are cleaning house.

First Tank squashed Ryan Garcia. Now another hyped up white fighter in Loma is gonna get beat and what will make this even better is that Loma will get schooled at his own game. Haney will out box him and make it look easy. I love it.

I don’t even reckon you’re black? I reckon you’re like Ali G. (Is it cos I is Black?)
The reason I say this is because you are clearly on a wind up trying to trigger other posters. Still , keep up the good work.

[greynotsoold]

This might be of interest. James is a friend of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MInHf8lIsrI?feature=share

[Spicoli]

This might be of interest. James is a friend of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MInHf8lIsrI?feature=share

Is this local where you're at? Have to give it a listen on a half day. I look back and regret not dedicating more time to 'live' content of some sort. Shit I still have an 800+ tape collection to covert . Basically, following-using technology to delve deeper into the sport . I remember years ago Memphis bringing up the idea of a podcast every so often but not sure anything came of it. But helluva good idea. The time and some expenses are the problem. And the damn endless job we all work .

[TitoFan]

This might be of interest. James is a friend of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MInHf8lIsrI?feature=share

Is this local where you're at? Have to give it a listen on a half day. I look back and regret not dedicating more time to 'live' content of some sort. Shit I still have an 800+ tape collection to covert . Basically, following-using technology to delve deeper into the sport . I remember years ago Memphis bringing up the idea of a podcast every so often but not sure anything came of it. But helluva good idea. The time and some expenses are the problem. And the damn endless job we all work .

Yeah it's very long... but interesting. Couldn't listen to the whole thing... but enjoyed what I heard. Liked the talk on fighter development, complete with fundamentals, versus today's penchant for "fast-tracking" fighters to the top. Agree a thousand percent. Also the discussion on the Romero-Barroso fight. I know Gogue was giving Weeks the benefit of the doubt... but he's definitely in a very small minority. Again, I didn't watch the fight... but saw highlights, a video of the ending, and followed the action on a live RBR.

Love how they dumped on the "for-sure" coming PPV clash between Romero and Pauper Garcia. They made it abundantly clear that this whole business smells like month-old fish.

Boxing is suffering immensely. Garcia got schooled and knocked out by Tank... but still retains his groupie following and Instagram fans. Romero was gifted a shady stoppage win over Barroso. All this shit seems weirdly preordained.

Sad.

Then they moved on to the upcoming fight between Haney and Loma. We're all looking forward to that one.

[greynotsoold]

This might be of interest. James is a friend of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MInHf8lIsrI?feature=share

Is this local where you're at? Have to give it a listen on a half day. I look back and regret not dedicating more time to 'live' content of some sort. Shit I still have an 800+ tape collection to covert . Basically, following-using technology to delve deeper into the sport . I remember years ago Memphis bringing up the idea of a podcast every so often but not sure anything came of it. But helluva good idea. The time and some expenses are the problem. And the damn endless job we all work .

I know James from Texas- after he left Texas he coached the Colombian National team for a few years. Now he trains fighters in Mexico. He has been training fighters since the 80s. He just did another video on his youtube channel that features an interview with Ronnie Sheilds.

[TitoFan]

Black fighters are cleaning house.

First Tank squashed Ryan Garcia. Now another hyped up white fighter in Loma is gonna get beat and what will make this even better is that Loma will get schooled at his own game. Haney will out box him and make it look easy. I love it.

I don’t even reckon you’re black? I reckon you’re like Ali G. (Is it cos I is Black?)
The reason I say this is because you are clearly on a wind up trying to trigger other posters. Still , keep up the good work.

No way a non-black carries that torch for years (through different alts) about how everything in the universe is racist toward blacks and about white supremacy.

No way a non-black wakes up in the morning... someone says "Good morning"... and he finds a racist angle to it.

No way.