Kelly Pavlik!!! WOW

[zekebox]

Pantera, I am not on this forum to win the spelling bee. I am on here because I am a fan of boxing and Kelly Pavlik. Just watch the videos and believe the hype, 26 Kos happened for a reason. Go Pavlik!

[Tito BHB]

We all have an opinion, I thought Zunniga, Bronco Mckart and Pierre were all respectable wins and KO's! guess not. From what I read Mckart has never been KO'd. I would just like to see the kid get some props. As far as him beating bums who did Taylor fight before he beat Hopkins anyways, not too many

william joppy

[El Kabong]

Kelly Pavlik-Sergio Mora must be made!


Jermain didn't lose and thus he was rewarded and ALSO the middleweight division isn't the deepest right now or when Taylor started his trip up the rankings.


Abraham, Miranda, Duddy, Pavlik, Sturm, Sylvester, Asikainen they all took their time and JT jumped at the oppertunity to fight B-Hop and he made the most of it....those other guys took their time, nothing wrong with it


JT's Olympic showing didn't hurt either, neither did his looks, skill, or anything else...I mean US promoters are looking for another Golden Boy and JT seemed to be ODH and SRL rolled into one.

[Pantera]

How did Miranda take his time?? In Colombia and Dominican he faced deadbeats. He had been in the USA for 10 months before he fought Eastman (a guy Taylor ducked) for the #1 spot. Then he travels to the corrupt land of Wilfred Sauerland and fights 21-0 IBF champion Abraham in his backyard. And IMO he beat Abraham much worse than Taylor did Hopkins...

My point is, however, that this guy is saying things about Pavlik that are more biased than I could even dream of saying about Miranda... I'm just tryin to bring him back to earth and be somewhat realistic. The guy is good. The guy has power. But until he beats at least ONE decent (top 15)guy, don't sit here and talk how he can destroy anything that moves. He had a chance to fight Miranda last year and turned it down. That's taking you time, what Miranda did is far from it.

Good for Taylor to have the money and power behind HBO to keep in fighting in his backyard. You bet your ass he wouldn't travel to Germany to fight a guy like Abraham with Sauerland running the show!

[El Kabong]

.....ducked to fight who? Hopkins

Fans are fans....give a little leaway

Why the fuck would THE CHAMP go to Germany to fight a German That is crazy right there.

I give Miranda nothing but props for going over there and getting the loss we all knew he'd get if it went the distance.


Pantera I get what you are TRYING to say but comparing the beating Miranda put on Abraham to what JT did to Hopkins is RIDICULOUS....do you think Arthur is a better fighter than Hopkins? Because that's what it sounds like.

[Pantera]

Absolutely not!
But he is a MUCH different kind of fighter than Hopkins. He's got power. He's got a great D (not Winky great, but great)
And of course JT has no reason whatsoever to travel to Germany. My point is that Miranda risked more than almost any boxer would think of doing. Putting their undefeated record on the line and 'trusting' the that the German's would try to stick to the rules. Didn't happen and he got a contoversal loss.

Don't get me wrong. I think JT is a great fighter. But I also know he will never step into the ring with someone with raw power that could end his night with one shot. Dibella has said it himself.