Oleksandr Usyk v Daniel Dubois

[Primo Carnera]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

Usyk has been put down with body shots in the past and is vulnerable to them. The punch landed on the stomach.

Ref was not going to go against the hometown champion. He compromised and gave the champ the chance to recover.

That being said Dubois was outclassed for the majority of the fight and was fortunate to get the title shot.

When Tyson Fury deals with his next silly event he will retire Usyk.

Usyk has gone down twice in the amateurs by a fierce puncher in Beterbiev and never in the pros in a total career spanning OVER 15 YEARS. Now suddenly he’s “Vulnerable” to body shots?
I would imagine that anybody who gets hit hard enough round the ribs and kidneys and perhaps bollocks might go down every so often.
Now you’re gonna turn this into some sort of weakness that future opponents should base their game plan on.
You’re beginning to sound like a very sore loser.
Now, onto your Fury opinion. Because Fury is so tall, it is more difficult for him to focus on Usyk’s body without crouching low and negating his size advantage . It’s an unnatural angle for him to generate any power through.
If it was somebody of say, Mike Tyson’s physique, that would be a different story.

[Master]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

Usyk has been put down with body shots in the past and is vulnerable to them. The punch landed on the stomach.

Ref was not going to go against the hometown champion. He compromised and gave the champ the chance to recover.

That being said Dubois was outclassed for the majority of the fight and was fortunate to get the title shot.

When Tyson Fury deals with his next silly event he will retire Usyk.

Usyk has gone down twice in the amateurs by a fierce puncher in Beterbiev and never in the pros in a total career spanning OVER 15 YEARS. Now suddenly he’s “Vulnerable” to body shots?
I would imagine that anybody who gets hit hard enough round the ribs and kidneys and perhaps bollocks might go down every so often.
Now you’re gonna turn this into some sort of weakness that future opponents should base their game plan on.
You’re beginning to sound like a very sore loser.
Now, onto your Fury opinion. Because Fury is so tall, it is more difficult for him to focus on Usyk’s body without crouching low and negating his size advantage . It’s an unnatural angle for him to generate any power through.
If it was somebody of say, Mike Tyson’s physique, that would be a different story.

Usyk does not have any other real weaknesses other than the lack of size at heavyweight. Dubois may not be a top heavyweight or of the calibre of Beterbiev but he can punch hard.

Tall boxers like Fury can land body shots and uppercuts. He will target the body and he will maul Usyk into the ground.

[Mark TKO]

Not often I agree with Master but I do here.

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

[KickMuck]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

[Primo Carnera]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

I’m not sure about serious decline because I always thought Fury was given way too much kudos for beating a guy in Wilder that would never have been a contender let alone a champion in any other era.
But the way I feel about Fury is that mentally he does not have the desire to go into a gruelling camp necessary to take on a serious World Champion level fight.
So he’ll get himself in “tick over semi decent shape” to have enough to beat a non boxer and earn as much as he possibly can.
Think of all the evidence.
1. Negotiating with Joshua (more than once) putting unreasonable time restrictions and financial demands and not going through with the fight.
2. Negotiating with Usyk , putting unreasonable time time restrictions and financial demands, (WHICH WERE ALL ACCEPTED) and not going through with the fight.
3. 2 defences in 2 years against Whyte (fair enough at the time) and perennial loser Chisora, whom he had already completely outclassed for 24 rounds previously. In all seriousness, how is a boxer like Chisora getting World title shots? He hardly ever wins a fight at top level ffs.
4. Opting to fight a circus style MMA guy instead of defending belts against deserving contenders, completely taking the piss out of the sport, ( and the piss weak governing bodies allowing it to happen!)
5. Doing a Netflix series like anybody is the slightest bit interested in his family life.
He should be stripped of the title until such time that he fights someone who the governing body feels he should fight.
It’s fucking disgusting to be honest.

[ykdadamaja]

Dubois should be champion today.

[Primo Carnera]

I said at the time I thought Usyk exaggerated a bit and wanted an early night with a Dubois DQ. But all this talk of Dubois being robbed and “it should’ve been a knockout for Dubois” are nonsense and pure conjecture.
I firmly believe if the ref had started to count, Usyk would’ve got up, would’ve have had an uncomfortable round, but he would’ve held on and then had a rest , and come back out and continue to win rounds and the fight.
I don’t think Dubois has the Boxing IQ to be able to capitalise.

[Mark TKO]

I'm now fully of the view it wasn't a low blow.

As outclassed as he was Dubois should be world champion today.

They should have made more of it at the time.

[Spicoli]

This will be scrutinized more than the Zapruder films. Almost as much as "Fury got a long count" possibly. That's still going too. People out there sighting trajectory, multi conflicting angle on the glove, where the wrinkles on the trunks begin at the point of impact (for real), knuckle line direction on and on. At the end of the day, it's per a referee's discretion and no matter where you end you will use a still shot to make your case. It's all out there. Is a punch below the naval a legal punch? Notice how the refs in the later fights made it a point to be seen defining the point on the trunks they consider low? What's lost is Dubois was basically dominated aside from one blow that landed on AND below the waist band. His reluctance and inability to immediately follow up and capitalize on what some are calling a clean brutal body shot that had THAT kind of impact tells me that maybe it wasn't all that clean. And I guarantee you had he won unified championships on that shot the outrage on "the other side" and in the boxing community would be absolutely deafening. Being honest this type of punch is called low more than not from my memory and again referees are not AI generated automatons. And for all the Fury will wipe the mat with Usyk...well, ok. There he is. Nothing stopping that from being made. Just one man. Usyk already excepted ludicrous terms but ol Fury opted for a day at the fair and the reality TV route. Usyk holds the belts, Tyson presumably wants them. Afterall Usyk is just a middleweight and a total pushover to be mauled and has a glass bladder, or belly. Sooo go get him Tyson. Easy money surely. Make the fight now eh. But I'm betting as is his nature and trend now he'll insist on a 90-10 split as Usyk "got lucky".

[nuggetdotcom]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

I’m not sure about serious decline because I always thought Fury was given way too much kudos for beating a guy in Wilder that would never have been a contender let alone a champion in any other era.
But the way I feel about Fury is that mentally he does not have the desire to go into a gruelling camp necessary to take on a serious World Champion level fight.
So he’ll get himself in “tick over semi decent shape” to have enough to beat a non boxer and earn as much as he possibly can.
Think of all the evidence.
1. Negotiating with Joshua (more than once) putting unreasonable time restrictions and financial demands and not going through with the fight.
2. Negotiating with Usyk , putting unreasonable time time restrictions and financial demands, (WHICH WERE ALL ACCEPTED) and not going through with the fight.
3. 2 defences in 2 years against Whyte (fair enough at the time) and perennial loser Chisora, whom he had already completely outclassed for 24 rounds previously. In all seriousness, how is a boxer like Chisora getting World title shots? He hardly ever wins a fight at top level ffs.
4. Opting to fight a circus style MMA guy instead of defending belts against deserving contenders, completely taking the piss out of the sport, ( and the piss weak governing bodies allowing it to happen!)
5. Doing a Netflix series like anybody is the slightest bit interested in his family life.
He should be stripped of the title until such time that he fights someone who the governing body feels he should fight.
It’s fucking disgusting to be honest.

I'll have a pint of whatever you're drinking, it obviously works!!!

[Beanz]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

I’m not sure about serious decline because I always thought Fury was given way too much kudos for beating a guy in Wilder that would never have been a contender let alone a champion in any other era.
But the way I feel about Fury is that mentally he does not have the desire to go into a gruelling camp necessary to take on a serious World Champion level fight.
So he’ll get himself in “tick over semi decent shape” to have enough to beat a non boxer and earn as much as he possibly can.
Think of all the evidence.
1. Negotiating with Joshua (more than once) putting unreasonable time restrictions and financial demands and not going through with the fight.
2. Negotiating with Usyk , putting unreasonable time time restrictions and financial demands, (WHICH WERE ALL ACCEPTED) and not going through with the fight.
3. 2 defences in 2 years against Whyte (fair enough at the time) and perennial loser Chisora, whom he had already completely outclassed for 24 rounds previously. In all seriousness, how is a boxer like Chisora getting World title shots? He hardly ever wins a fight at top level ffs.
4. Opting to fight a circus style MMA guy instead of defending belts against deserving contenders, completely taking the piss out of the sport, ( and the piss weak governing bodies allowing it to happen!)
5. Doing a Netflix series like anybody is the slightest bit interested in his family life.
He should be stripped of the title until such time that he fights someone who the governing body feels he should fight.
It’s fucking disgusting to be honest.

^^^^
This.

Fury is hugely overrated. He is not shit, you do not get the chances he has through luck alone but he is not the atg many, including himself, trumpet him as.

He is a serial bottler and has been a night mare for boxing. For his juicing and legitamizing people like Jake Paul alone he should be banned, but holding up the fights that need to happen is a bridge too far. F**k him and his BS mental health circus. Hope Usyk embarrasses him out of the sport.

[Denilson3.0]

I think the whole world needs CT scans of Usyk's balls to confirm what really happened on Saturday

I mean. He did come into the ring like this......



At the end of the fight I reckon Fury running to the phone like



To make the fight happen in 2024.

But Usyk is like the Frankenstein combination of Cunningham and Wallin, Fury's two toughest fights ever - only ten times the fighter those two put together. He is quite literally the worst possible stylistic matchup for Fury.

At his core, Fury is a partier.

He feels like he's done the hard work and now it's time to lay back and suck up the gravy. To beat Usyk you have to get yourself in TREMENDOUS cardiovascular shape. That means five and ten mile runs, rowing, hills run, cycling, punching the heavy bag HARD for 20 mins non stop and do old school "catch the chicken" routines, like in Rocky to improve your footwork



And if even if he Fury does all that ? He can never have the output and keep on the pace of Usyk. As it was shown in Dubois / Joshua / Bellew fights. Usyk slowly goes through the gears, and his opponents don't have the answer and get tired. While Fury has good cardio, he always needs to tie/hold/clinch to save his breath. And he won't be able to do that against Usyk. Fury's his only hope to be as dirty as possible, and he knows it. But with the right ref, this won't be allowed. Fury won't knock him out, so he'll have to be extremely......EXTREMELY fit and he very rarely is.

Even at the top of his game this is probably a 60/40 in Usyk's favour.

OK onto THAT punch.

It's was below the belt

It's not on the belt. It's not above the belt. This whole glove is below the belt.

And that by definition is a low blow. You just can't debate it. You can’t hit below the belly button… it doesn’t need to be the balls like some people think. Plus Usyk wears his shorts relatively low compared to other fighters.

Ref's instructions made it clear that hitting anywhere on the trunks was illegal. They made it clear that punches must land above the trunks. If a fighter's trunks were worn too high the ref must inform the fighters of that, but Usyk's wasn't. Dubois punch was on Usyk shorts, not a single part of it even touch Usyk skin.



Having said that

Tom Sharkey had his ribs broken and battered until they pierced his skin, leaving a permanent scar on his ribcage, against James J. Jeffries.



Despite this, he still kept attacking until the end of the 25 round fight. He also weighed 185 to Jeffries' 210. I do think Usyk took advantage of the situation to the max.

Daniel Dubois ?

I can understand why he quit against Joyce, makes sense. His orbital was broken so why risk your eye for no belts? Come again, die another day.

But here,

• He wasn’t injured
• He got knocked down by a jab
• Three belts on the line
• Once in a lifetime opportunity
• Could have made the count
• Didn't even protest being waved off

He went down tenderly as if he was preserving himself. Wasn't off balance at all. Just casually takes a step away, bends over and puts his hands to the ground. Something is seriously off there.

Adversity breeds strength of will. Just like anything it has to be learned and if he hasn't experienced that adversity before then he's never developed that ability to cope with adversity when he suddenly faced with it and instead of just gritting it out until the end......... he chose to quit.

My thinking is that he isn’t pushed in training and sparring. Getting your ass beat or going through adversity in your development results in having more resolve. And add in that he’s had a strange upbringing. He was home-schooled since 13 by his dad, in the hopes of becoming a professional boxer. Most fighters/people, have a life and something that anchors them. With Dubois, I see a guy who’s not a fully fledged person

He just is not world level. He is a fairly decent domestic/European level fighter.

In a very real sense there is no shame in that. He is a real pro boxer.