Oleksandr Usyk v Daniel Dubois

[Master]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

[Spicoli]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

[Master]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

Usyk has been put down with body shots in the past and is vulnerable to them. The punch landed on the stomach.

Ref was not going to go against the hometown champion. He compromised and gave the champ the chance to recover.

That being said Dubois was outclassed for the majority of the fight and was fortunate to get the title shot.

When Tyson Fury deals with his next silly event he will retire Usyk.

[Mark TKO]

Turned off straight after the stoppage and went to bed so didn't see all the carry on afterwards.

Didn't really think much of it during the fight and thought low blow when it first happened. After watching a few replays this morning am not so sure any more. Like football before VAR this has come down to the referees call. Could have gone either way and dubois could be champion. Annoyingly there'll now be a rematch which will be another seven months plus off meaning any chance of a fury fight a year and some away.

Dubois was outclassed in every department but has shown Usyk is vulnerable. Even fury may fancy it....

[Dark Lord Al]

I did say Dubois was garbage, he has power and that's it,
He is not even close to world level.

[Primo Carnera]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

Usyk has been put down with body shots in the past and is vulnerable to them. The punch landed on the stomach.

Ref was not going to go against the hometown champion. He compromised and gave the champ the chance to recover.

That being said Dubois was outclassed for the majority of the fight and was fortunate to get the title shot.

When Tyson Fury deals with his next silly event he will retire Usyk.

Usyk has gone down twice in the amateurs by a fierce puncher in Beterbiev and never in the pros in a total career spanning OVER 15 YEARS. Now suddenly he’s “Vulnerable” to body shots?
I would imagine that anybody who gets hit hard enough round the ribs and kidneys and perhaps bollocks might go down every so often.
Now you’re gonna turn this into some sort of weakness that future opponents should base their game plan on.
You’re beginning to sound like a very sore loser.
Now, onto your Fury opinion. Because Fury is so tall, it is more difficult for him to focus on Usyk’s body without crouching low and negating his size advantage . It’s an unnatural angle for him to generate any power through.
If it was somebody of say, Mike Tyson’s physique, that would be a different story.

[Master]

The body shot was legitimate and Usyk faked it with the ref falling for it.

Half on the waist band half below the waist band from the 1001 vids going around. Usyk has never struck me as a cheat or a man who pulls a Luis Sanatna come on. Refs discretion end of the day

Usyk has been put down with body shots in the past and is vulnerable to them. The punch landed on the stomach.

Ref was not going to go against the hometown champion. He compromised and gave the champ the chance to recover.

That being said Dubois was outclassed for the majority of the fight and was fortunate to get the title shot.

When Tyson Fury deals with his next silly event he will retire Usyk.

Usyk has gone down twice in the amateurs by a fierce puncher in Beterbiev and never in the pros in a total career spanning OVER 15 YEARS. Now suddenly he’s “Vulnerable” to body shots?
I would imagine that anybody who gets hit hard enough round the ribs and kidneys and perhaps bollocks might go down every so often.
Now you’re gonna turn this into some sort of weakness that future opponents should base their game plan on.
You’re beginning to sound like a very sore loser.
Now, onto your Fury opinion. Because Fury is so tall, it is more difficult for him to focus on Usyk’s body without crouching low and negating his size advantage . It’s an unnatural angle for him to generate any power through.
If it was somebody of say, Mike Tyson’s physique, that would be a different story.

Usyk does not have any other real weaknesses other than the lack of size at heavyweight. Dubois may not be a top heavyweight or of the calibre of Beterbiev but he can punch hard.

Tall boxers like Fury can land body shots and uppercuts. He will target the body and he will maul Usyk into the ground.

[Mark TKO]

Not often I agree with Master but I do here.

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

[KickMuck]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

[Primo Carnera]

Unless Fury has seriously declined.

This could well be the case

I’m not sure about serious decline because I always thought Fury was given way too much kudos for beating a guy in Wilder that would never have been a contender let alone a champion in any other era.
But the way I feel about Fury is that mentally he does not have the desire to go into a gruelling camp necessary to take on a serious World Champion level fight.
So he’ll get himself in “tick over semi decent shape” to have enough to beat a non boxer and earn as much as he possibly can.
Think of all the evidence.
1. Negotiating with Joshua (more than once) putting unreasonable time restrictions and financial demands and not going through with the fight.
2. Negotiating with Usyk , putting unreasonable time time restrictions and financial demands, (WHICH WERE ALL ACCEPTED) and not going through with the fight.
3. 2 defences in 2 years against Whyte (fair enough at the time) and perennial loser Chisora, whom he had already completely outclassed for 24 rounds previously. In all seriousness, how is a boxer like Chisora getting World title shots? He hardly ever wins a fight at top level ffs.
4. Opting to fight a circus style MMA guy instead of defending belts against deserving contenders, completely taking the piss out of the sport, ( and the piss weak governing bodies allowing it to happen!)
5. Doing a Netflix series like anybody is the slightest bit interested in his family life.
He should be stripped of the title until such time that he fights someone who the governing body feels he should fight.
It’s fucking disgusting to be honest.

[ykdadamaja]

Dubois should be champion today.

[Primo Carnera]

I said at the time I thought Usyk exaggerated a bit and wanted an early night with a Dubois DQ. But all this talk of Dubois being robbed and “it should’ve been a knockout for Dubois” are nonsense and pure conjecture.
I firmly believe if the ref had started to count, Usyk would’ve got up, would’ve have had an uncomfortable round, but he would’ve held on and then had a rest , and come back out and continue to win rounds and the fight.
I don’t think Dubois has the Boxing IQ to be able to capitalise.

[Mark TKO]

I'm now fully of the view it wasn't a low blow.

As outclassed as he was Dubois should be world champion today.

They should have made more of it at the time.

[Primo Carnera]

I'm now fully of the view it wasn't a low blow.

As outclassed as he was Dubois should be world champion today.

They should have made more of it at the time.

He didn’t make more of it, because he didn’t feel robbed. When Usyk went over to him after the fight, if he felt he’d been robbed, he would’ve acted very differently.
It’s only when Frank Warren came in and started talking that he started to feel robbed.
Basically he quit , he never won a round, no way should he be World Champion.
I get it though. He wants a rematch, so he can make more dough. If he doesn’t get the rematch (which he won’t ) he is gonna take a massive drop in money and level of opponent.

[Spicoli]

This will be scrutinized more than the Zapruder films. Almost as much as "Fury got a long count" possibly. That's still going too. People out there sighting trajectory, multi conflicting angle on the glove, where the wrinkles on the trunks begin at the point of impact (for real), knuckle line direction on and on. At the end of the day, it's per a referee's discretion and no matter where you end you will use a still shot to make your case. It's all out there. Is a punch below the naval a legal punch? Notice how the refs in the later fights made it a point to be seen defining the point on the trunks they consider low? What's lost is Dubois was basically dominated aside from one blow that landed on AND below the waist band. His reluctance and inability to immediately follow up and capitalize on what some are calling a clean brutal body shot that had THAT kind of impact tells me that maybe it wasn't all that clean. And I guarantee you had he won unified championships on that shot the outrage on "the other side" and in the boxing community would be absolutely deafening. Being honest this type of punch is called low more than not from my memory and again referees are not AI generated automatons. And for all the Fury will wipe the mat with Usyk...well, ok. There he is. Nothing stopping that from being made. Just one man. Usyk already excepted ludicrous terms but ol Fury opted for a day at the fair and the reality TV route. Usyk holds the belts, Tyson presumably wants them. Afterall Usyk is just a middleweight and a total pushover to be mauled and has a glass bladder, or belly. Sooo go get him Tyson. Easy money surely. Make the fight now eh. But I'm betting as is his nature and trend now he'll insist on a 90-10 split as Usyk "got lucky".