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    96 percent. In the last 34 years. Wow. I like bar charts and all that... but I tend to raise an eyebrow to such one-sided statistics unless there's a lot of verifiable data behind it.

    Simon Rosenberg is what... a political strategist?

    I don't know. Hey... it could very well be a decided edge to the Democrats on net job creation in the last 3 and a half decades. I just have this feeling the Republicans would be able to conjure up a chart just like it... but flipped.

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    Can you see what it say at the bottom of the graph? Bureau of Labor Statistics. They have a website and everything. You can check the numbers yourself.

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    The numbers aren't some great mystery. Both Bushes had shocking job growth. Trump had a net job loss with the pandemic which is skewing things somewhat but the fact remains the economy and job creation both do far better under Democratic presidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    The numbers aren't some great mystery. Both Bushes had shocking job growth. Trump had a net job loss with the pandemic which is skewing things somewhat but the fact remains the economy and job creation both do far better under Democratic presidents.

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    I don't have time to get into an argument right now, but to what do you attribute this "fact"? Seems to me there have been Republican presidents throughout modern history with good jobs records. I'd venture to say there are other factors at work here other than what Party you happen to belong to.

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    I think On Golden Pond needs to make more self-deprecating tongue in cheek jokes about his age. It works. The extent of my political observation this day I'm off for a noon nap and glass of warm milk.

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    I've never been one to believe outlandish claims that seem too one-sided, especially when these claims carry the specter of political bias behind them.

    A score of 96 to 4 is usually highly unlikely, especially if being used in the political arena.

    But hell, what do I know. I'm just a mere mortal.

    Let's see what others have to say about this topic...

    https://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/...elections.html


    Do Democrats Really Create More Jobs?

    In a struggling economy, amid a tight election campaign, successfully claiming the mantle of job creation can make or break a candidate.

    That's why President Bill Clinton made a splash Wednesday night, during a speech at the Democratic National Convention, with the claim that Democratic presidential administrations have had a better employment track record than their GOP counterparts.

    "For 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats, 24. In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private-sector jobs. So what’s the job score? Republicans, 24 million; Democrats, 42 [million]," Clinton said.

    It's an important issue for small business owners, because they want to know which party's policies will be best for the nation's economic health--and, by extrapolation, for their own plans for business growth.


    Getting Lucky

    But while both parties want to claim superiority, it turns out the answer cuts across party lines.

    While economists say the statistics Clinton cited are correct, it turns out Democrats may have benefited more from business cycles that had little to do with the presidency. Since World War II, more Republican presidents than Democrats have started their administrations with recessions under way.

    Once that and other indicators--like employment rates, which tend to lag behind recoveries--are factored in, job creation per party becomes more of a wash.

    "Presidential policies kick in during the second year of their administrations, and once you take into account the inherited economic conditions for presidents, there is no difference between the parties" for private sector job creation, says James E. Campbell, chairman of the political science department for the University at Buffalo.

    Campbell has written extensively on the economic records of the presidents and party differences in relation to economic conditions after World War II.

    Rival economic policies may even produce similar employment results, although the price tags may show up in different places: Democrats tend to favor upfront spending for things like stimulus programs--with more immediate effects but greater cost later on--while Republicans opt to pay upfront, through things like tax cuts, which may stimulate better economic conditions later on, Campbell says.

    Congress & the President: It's Complicated

    Another complicating factor: It’s Congress, not the president, that often sets policy. And in many instances in the last 50 years, the party that occupied the White House confronted a Congress led by the opposing party.

    "If you look at some of the big things that happened politically, from the Reagan tax reform to Clinton tax reform, those took place during periods of divided government, when there was more negotiating," says John Dunham, managing partner of John Dunham & Associates, an economic consultancy in New York.

    What small businesses want most is a stable business environment, which experts say includes a guarantee of government fiscal responsibility, and a fair regulatory and tax environment before they start hiring again. And both parties claim they will be able to provide those conditions.

    "There is uncertainty everywhere you look, and that does not stimulate growth," Campbell says.




    Back when Trump took office in 2017, the economy shot up impressively. I imagine job creation went along with it. Republicans (Trumpers and non-Trumpers alike) jumped on those stats like a hungry Doberman on a raw T-bone. Yet I always knew Donny was only riding Obama's coattails. Measures Obama had taken or helped along were only then beginning to provide fruit. So Trump swoops in and takes all the credit... and his adoring public believed every word.

    I may not know a lot of things. But I'm pretty sure the national economy doesn't turn on a dime. It's not a square waveform that goes from 0 to 100 immediately when changes are implemented. So Obama didn't immediately benefit from some of the changes that he implemented or helped to implement.

    By the same token, I agree with the author of the article above when he says...

    "But while both parties want to claim superiority, it turns out the answer cuts across party lines.

    While economists say the statistics Clinton cited are correct, it turns out Democrats may have benefited more from business cycles that had little to do with the presidency. Since World War II, more Republican presidents than Democrats have started their administrations with recessions under way.

    Once that and other indicators--like employment rates, which tend to lag behind recoveries--are factored in, job creation per party becomes more of a wash."

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    Default Re: Today In Biden Land

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Can you see what it say at the bottom of the graph? Bureau of Labor Statistics. They have a website and everything. You can check the numbers yourself.


    I think you can make your points without being so fucking condescending.

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