Wilfredo Gomez

[TitoFan]

My favorite fighter has always been Felix Trinidad...

off topic. do you think we missed seeing tito at his best against the best?

Tito proved he was the best at welterweight even if it did take Oscar to initiate the the unification fights. Tito did not face Quartey but can't think of any other real threats at the weight.

Think Tito proved he was the best at light middleweight too.

I believe Trinidad was the longest reigning welterweight champion in history, with the second most title defenses at that weight.

Yes... a fight against Quartey would've been a hell of a fight, as Ike was one of the greats at that time also.

He then moved up to light middleweight like you said, @Master ...at which he had what is still my favorite fight of all time... his TKO over Fernando Vargas.

Then unlike Oscar, who made an ill-fated attempt at 160 only to get knocked out by a BHop liver shot... Trinidad knocked out highly regarded WBA champion William Joppy, before losing to BHop by 12th round TKO himself.

[Master]

Did not realise that Tito secured that many defences at Welterweight but that is another good sign that he took on the best fighters at the weight. Loved Tito beating undefeated contenders like Oba Carr and Campus who caused Trinidad a lot of problems.

Tito v Jose Luis Lopez would have been a belter!!

To be fair to Oscar he started at the lower weights so going up past Welterweight was harder for him. Vargas was a favourite fighter of mine and both Tito and Oscar beat him in brilliant contests.

To be fair to Trinidad going past light middle was harder for him and he got beat by Winky as well as B Hop and Roy Jones.

[TitoFan]

Did not realise that Tito secured that many defences at Welterweight but that is another good sign that he took on the best fighters at the weight. Loved Tito beating undefeated contenders like Oba Carr and Campus who caused Trinidad a lot of problems.

Tito v Jose Luis Lopez would have been a belter!!

To be fair to Oscar he started at the lower weights so going up past Welterweight was harder for him. Vargas was a favourite fighter of mine and both Tito and Oscar beat him in brilliant contests.

To be fair to Trinidad going past light middle was harder for him and he got beat by Winky as well as B Hop and Roy Jones.

Good point about Oscar. IMO, he had no business going up to middle, and I don't even count the fight against Felix Sturm.

Now that you mention Vargas against both Trinidad and Oscar...

One thing you also may not realize is a lot of common opponents for both Tito and Oscar first faced Tito. They lost by KO, and THEN they faced Oscar.

At least in Fernando's case, you might say Oscar beat a lesser, damaged version of the fighter Tito faced first.

The list includes:

Mayorga - lost to Tito by TKO (2004), then to Oscar by TKO (2006)

Campas - undefeated when he lost to Tito by TKO (1994), had 5 losses when he lost by TKO to Oscar (2003)

Carr - undefeated when he lost to Tito by TKO (1994), had 2 losses when he lost by TKO to Oscar (1999)

Camacho - past his prime, but lost to Tito by wide UD (1994), even further past his prime when he lost by UD to Oscar (1997)

Then there's Fernando himself. Lost by TKO to Tito (2000), then by TKO again to Oscar (2002)


Besides Campas and Carr, who were undefeated when going up against Trinidad, the other undefeated fighters Tito handed their first defeat included:

Oscar and Fernando themselves, and David Reid.