Reasons for Liking or Disliking a Fighter

[Ron Swanson]

For me it is the way they go about their business. Like I was a very big GGG fan before he had a name. There is another site I could point you to where before he was even a champion I said he was the best fighter in the division. But for years I watched them claim nobody would fight him while he set up road blocks. I can’t remember the former champ he was being built to fight but there was a time where they were talking about fighting a guy then they booked a tiny venue in Morocco too small to have HBO, also meant the guys home country couldn’t do their PPV(former champ was an Australian I believe)element so he said no. They ended up fighting like a year later. Meanwhile all these people kept talking about people not being willing to fight GGG and it was so frustrating because any sense would say GGGs team made a clear roadblock. You don’t pick venue then opponent. We all know this. They know this. They were selling a lie. Then it was anyone from 154-168, except Ward spoke up and then they went through a series of excuses “Ward’s too big a name, he’ll want too much” “We’re focusing on 160” but you just said anyone from 154-168. And you were willing to move up for Steiglitz, you were willing to move up for Froch, you were willing to move up for Chavez Jr, but not Ward. Then they went to “Ward has been out of the limelight too long he needs to build his name back up”. I’m fine with them not wanting Ward to beat his ass, just say we don’t want to fight Ward. Stop selling a lie. This take all comers guy was never, never, a take all comers guy and we had all the evidence so I became a hater.

Same has happened for me with Tank punkass Davis. Dude is pathetic. Pulling a David Haye milking the fans while really giving them nothing.

I don’t need to like the fighter to be a fan. In fact most of the guys I was a fan of turned out to be scumbags. But if you make the fights I want to see I’m a fan.

(Edit-it was Daniel Gaele, not a fighter that needs a year + to build up to fight. Just pick a venue that will be big enough for HBO so the Aussie fans can see the fight. Absurd crap from GGGs team. And years of absurd crap followed)

[TitoFan]

For me it is the way they go about their business. Like I was a very big GGG fan before he had a name. There is another site I could point you to where before he was even a champion I said he was the best fighter in the division. But for years I watched them claim nobody would fight him while he set up road blocks. I can’t remember the former champ he was being built to fight but there was a time where they were talking about fighting a guy then they booked a tiny venue in Morocco too small to have HBO, also meant the guys home country couldn’t do their PPV(former champ was an Australian I believe)element so he said no. They ended up fighting like a year later. Meanwhile all these people kept talking about people not being willing to fight GGG and it was so frustrating because any sense would say GGGs team made a clear roadblock. You don’t pick venue then opponent. We all know this. They know this. They were selling a lie. Then it was anyone from 154-168, except Ward spoke up and then they went through a series of excuses “Ward’s too big a name, he’ll want too much” “We’re focusing on 160” but you just said anyone from 154-168. And you were willing to move up for Steiglitz, you were willing to move up for Froch, you were willing to move up for Chavez Jr, but not Ward. Then they went to “Ward has been out of the limelight too long he needs to build his name back up”. I’m fine with them not wanting Ward to beat his ass, just say we don’t want to fight Ward. Stop selling a lie. This take all comers guy was never, never, a take all comers guy and we had all the evidence so I became a hater.

Same has happened for me with Tank punkass Davis. Dude is pathetic. Pulling a David Haye milking the fans while really giving them nothing.

I don’t need to like the fighter to be a fan. In fact most of the guys I was a fan of turned out to be scumbags. But if you make the fights I want to see I’m a fan.

(Edit-it was Daniel Gaele, not a fighter that needs a year + to build up to fight. Just pick a venue that will be big enough for HBO so the Aussie fans can see the fight. Absurd crap from GGGs team. And years of absurd crap followed)

Everything you describe about GGG is precisely what I've always loathed about Canelo. Everything from "marinating", to "I don't fight Mexicans", to jumping off to pick off a weak belt holder only to go scampering back before any of the legitimates call you out... the list goes on and on. GGG... I know little of those details, so I can't defend the man. But I know you've made it well known that you feel he's a ducker. Maybe we should have a poll/thread about who's the biggest ducker in boxing history. My vote would go immediately to Canelo.

[Ron Swanson]

For me it is the way they go about their business. Like I was a very big GGG fan before he had a name. There is another site I could point you to where before he was even a champion I said he was the best fighter in the division. But for years I watched them claim nobody would fight him while he set up road blocks. I can’t remember the former champ he was being built to fight but there was a time where they were talking about fighting a guy then they booked a tiny venue in Morocco too small to have HBO, also meant the guys home country couldn’t do their PPV(former champ was an Australian I believe)element so he said no. They ended up fighting like a year later. Meanwhile all these people kept talking about people not being willing to fight GGG and it was so frustrating because any sense would say GGGs team made a clear roadblock. You don’t pick venue then opponent. We all know this. They know this. They were selling a lie. Then it was anyone from 154-168, except Ward spoke up and then they went through a series of excuses “Ward’s too big a name, he’ll want too much” “We’re focusing on 160” but you just said anyone from 154-168. And you were willing to move up for Steiglitz, you were willing to move up for Froch, you were willing to move up for Chavez Jr, but not Ward. Then they went to “Ward has been out of the limelight too long he needs to build his name back up”. I’m fine with them not wanting Ward to beat his ass, just say we don’t want to fight Ward. Stop selling a lie. This take all comers guy was never, never, a take all comers guy and we had all the evidence so I became a hater.

Same has happened for me with Tank punkass Davis. Dude is pathetic. Pulling a David Haye milking the fans while really giving them nothing.

I don’t need to like the fighter to be a fan. In fact most of the guys I was a fan of turned out to be scumbags. But if you make the fights I want to see I’m a fan.

(Edit-it was Daniel Gaele, not a fighter that needs a year + to build up to fight. Just pick a venue that will be big enough for HBO so the Aussie fans can see the fight. Absurd crap from GGGs team. And years of absurd crap followed)

Everything you describe about GGG is precisely what I've always loathed about Canelo. Everything from "marinating", to "I don't fight Mexicans", to jumping off to pick off a weak belt holder only to go scampering back before any of the legitimates call you out... the list goes on and on. GGG... I know little of those details, so I can't defend the man. But I know you've made it well known that you feel he's a ducker. Maybe we should have a poll/thread about who's the biggest ducker in boxing history. My vote would go immediately to Canelo.

Not so much a ducker, but he wasn’t really moving towards the right fights as they claimed. I don’t think he was afraid of anyone. Just was managed. Which, everyone is, I just don’t like the lying. If you’re going to take soft touches until you get Canelo say “we’re looking at Canelo” don’t say “nobody will fight us” while bunches of fighters are calling for a fight, worthy fighters

TBF there were a couple guys he wasn’t going to get that he wanted, not his fault. But it doesn’t erase all the above

[Denilson3.0]

I disliked Danny Garcia.

What bothered me is that he looked like a fighter who looked like he shouldn't be winning...yet he continued to do so. Dudes like that -- in any sport -- have always bothered me. It's like, "Will somebody please just beat this guy !"

I disliked like Gullermo Rigondeaux

Not his boxing just his little annoying pin head



Can't really say anything bad about him or that i dislike him. Just his head.

I disliked Alexander Povetkins hair



I disliked Ricky Hatton thinking he’s a stand up comedian.

Ricky you got all your jokes from Bernard Manning word for word.

I dislike Sweet Caroline

We can blame Rocky Fielding for this. He was the first one to use it bk in 2015



Now it's EVERYWHERE

I dislike White American announcers with dreadlocks



He thinks he's a Bob Marley Rasta man, announcing surnames twice, on British cards. Not only is David Diamente a white man with dreads, he's white man with a receding hair line with dreads.



To broaden it out there are plenty of things I dislike about boxing, this is about my dislikes about boxing gyms

I dislike guys who cant concentrate when hitting the heavy bag and are constantly looking around to see if anyone's watching them,

I dislike guys who talk non-stop during sparring, I'm talking guys who even Paulie Malignaggi would tell to STFU

I disliked the new guys that didn't even introduce themselves to anyone but ask people to spar like they are a BADASS (guys like that we used to always throw them in with whoever was the best in gym at the time to fk them up and teach them a lesson)

I disliked the people who spat on the ring canvas.

I disliked the walking pharmacy guys (you get them at every boxing gym) who no joke sits there with his drinks and supplements, skips a round hits the bag for half, NEVER SPARS, does a few push ups and leaves.

I disliked the guys who tried to spar with 10's when the other guy was wearing 16's (ONCE AGAIN - Guys like that we used to always throw them in with whoever was the best in gym at the time to fk them up and teach them a lesson only this time. We didn't use the bell. We wanted to humiliate them by forcing them to quit and show them to never try doing that coward sh*t again)

I disliked sweaty guys who take of their shirt and are sweaty as F then sit their sweaty asses on the work out equipment and put their sweaty backs on the benches that we all have to use and wonder why the owner is looking at him all crazy.

I disliked when new people try to look good and do the Roy Jones or Mayweather style of fighting and absolutely look BAD doing it

[TitoFan]

Did I mention Ryan Garcia in my opening post?

I guess I did, huh...

I'm sorry... but I just don't get how anyone can be a fan of this pipsqueak. The list of transgressions is so long... I'd probably miss a few.

His latest is changing his mind about wanting Haney and now setting his sights on Rolly Romero. Says it makes better business sense.

That's just another punk move from Princess Ry. He KNOWS he'd lose to Haney... just like he's scared to fight (and won't even mention) the Boogeyman at 140, Subriel Matias.

In his personal life he's even more of a punk.

Divorces his wife just as she's having his son. Punk move.

This is the kid who cares more about his Instagram following than he does about constructing a LEGITIMATE boxing career.

Wanted to catapult off one good fight... only to get humiliated by Gervonta. Not that I like Gervonta all that much either. But he made a lot of points with me by knocking out the Princess.

In this day and age of instant gratification and shortcuts to the top... Princess Ry fits right in.

You want drama queens and posing punks with a pretty face? Follow Princess Ry.

You want boxing the way it's meant to be? Dump his ass.

[Spicoli]

Did I mention Ryan Garcia in my opening post?

I guess I did, huh...

I'm sorry... but I just don't get how anyone can be a fan of this pipsqueak. The list of transgressions is so long... I'd probably miss a few.

His latest is changing his mind about wanting Haney and now setting his sights on Rolly Romero. Says it makes better business sense.

That's just another punk move from Princess Ry. He KNOWS he'd lose to Haney... just like he's scared to fight (and won't even mention) the Boogeyman at 140, Subriel Matias.

In his personal life he's even more of a punk.

Divorces his wife just as she's having his son. Punk move.

This is the kid who cares more about his Instagram following than he does about constructing a LEGITIMATE boxing career.

Wanted to catapult off one good fight... only to get humiliated by Gervonta. Not that I like Gervonta all that much either. But he made a lot of points with me by knocking out the Princess.

In this day and age of instant gratification and shortcuts to the top... Princess Ry fits right in.

You want drama queens and posing punks with a pretty face? Follow Princess Ry.

You want boxing the way it's meant to be? Dump his ass.

Good timing, interesting on Ryan. Basically he's pulling another ruse now vs Romero. Listened today as it was said to be the next 'big' fan friendly fight. One that will go "mainstream". Honestly it's another borderline celebrity boxing event. We all know and can admit they have both reached their ceiling. Rolly was being looked at as nothing more than a mark carrying a trinket. I really do hope Barroso balks at step aside money and it's him who gets either Ryan or Rolly II. I'd pay top dollar to see the old geezer bounce one of his bricks off Ryans stationary head

[KickMuck]

Its all subjective i suppose. I respect all fighters that go to win. Hype jobs are hyped by the people around them and ultimately hyped in to self belief (which you need in a sport like boxing) I don't blame the fighter. Canelo loathe him or love him has proved himself time and time again against many dangerous fighters. The elephant in the room might even say a lot of people are sour. He's beat many US, UK and Europeans who have had huge fanbases and left a few bitter tastes in many peoples mouths.

Its the few that are just in it for a payday with no intention of wining that i hate. Sadly that's the case of many as a journey mans job but when it gets to pay per view level, fuck off.

[TIC]

His latest is changing his mind about wanting Haney and now setting his sights on Rolly Romero. Says it makes better business sense.

floyd already promoting that king ry v rolly fight. oscar won't be happy

[TitoFan]

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/01...rs-frustrated/

“KingRy” Says No Again: Ryan Garcia Rejects Ramirez Fight, Leaving Fans And Matchmakers Frustrated




I toyed with the idea of starting a new thread just on Ryan. Then I said, "nah... there's enough new threads out there already."

So let me begin by saying that Ryan is no "King." But I was wrong... he's not even a "Princess." He's just a big pussy.

I wonder how that's sitting with his massive Instagram following.

[TIC]

His latest is changing his mind about wanting Haney and now setting his sights on Rolly Romero. Says it makes better business sense.

floyd already promoting that king ry v rolly fight. oscar won't be happy

there are rumours that this could happen on april twentieth

[Master]

For me it is the way they go about their business. Like I was a very big GGG fan before he had a name. There is another site I could point you to where before he was even a champion I said he was the best fighter in the division. But for years I watched them claim nobody would fight him while he set up road blocks. I can’t remember the former champ he was being built to fight but there was a time where they were talking about fighting a guy then they booked a tiny venue in Morocco too small to have HBO, also meant the guys home country couldn’t do their PPV(former champ was an Australian I believe)element so he said no. They ended up fighting like a year later. Meanwhile all these people kept talking about people not being willing to fight GGG and it was so frustrating because any sense would say GGGs team made a clear roadblock. You don’t pick venue then opponent. We all know this. They know this. They were selling a lie. Then it was anyone from 154-168, except Ward spoke up and then they went through a series of excuses “Ward’s too big a name, he’ll want too much” “We’re focusing on 160” but you just said anyone from 154-168. And you were willing to move up for Steiglitz, you were willing to move up for Froch, you were willing to move up for Chavez Jr, but not Ward. Then they went to “Ward has been out of the limelight too long he needs to build his name back up”. I’m fine with them not wanting Ward to beat his ass, just say we don’t want to fight Ward. Stop selling a lie. This take all comers guy was never, never, a take all comers guy and we had all the evidence so I became a hater.

Same has happened for me with Tank punkass Davis. Dude is pathetic. Pulling a David Haye milking the fans while really giving them nothing.

I don’t need to like the fighter to be a fan. In fact most of the guys I was a fan of turned out to be scumbags. But if you make the fights I want to see I’m a fan.

(Edit-it was Daniel Gaele, not a fighter that needs a year + to build up to fight. Just pick a venue that will be big enough for HBO so the Aussie fans can see the fight. Absurd crap from GGGs team. And years of absurd crap followed)

Glad you edited because it was Gaele. I am sure the venue would have been Monte Carlo which is a tax haven so he would have made a lot of money fighting there.

[imp]

I dislike drug cheats.

[Ivan Zhelezo]

Golovkin was lucky that Dmitry Pirog was forced to withdraw due to injury in 2012. His career could have turned out very differently after Pirog dismantled him in 12 rounds.

[Master]

Golovkin was lucky that Dmitry Pirog was forced to withdraw due to injury in 2012. His career could have turned out very differently after Pirog dismantled him in 12 rounds.

No one has dismantled triple G and certainly not in 2012. He was a beast in the division at the time.

[Ivan Zhelezo]

Golovkin was lucky that Dmitry Pirog was forced to withdraw due to injury in 2012. His career could have turned out very differently after Pirog dismantled him in 12 rounds.

No one has dismantled triple G and certainly not in 2012. He was a beast in the division at the time.

Dmitry Pirog's technical prowess, especially his ability to set traps for his opponents, would be a serious test for Gennady Golovkin. Pirog was known for his strategic approach in the ring, employing a cerebral style that involved luring opponents into vulnerable positions. Against Golovkin, who is known for his aggressive and relentless style, Pirog's ability to anticipate and exploit openings would have played a crucial role.

One of Pirog's strengths lies in his excellent use of mixing speed and changing levels. This dynamic approach would have disrupted Golovkin's rhythm and made it difficult for him to predict Pirog's movements. Pirog's agility and adaptability would have allowed him to capitalize on Golovkin's aggressive tendencies, making him pay for any overcommitments.

Footwork is another aspect where Pirog would have held an advantage. His effective footwork would allow him to control the distance, pivot away from danger, and create angles for counter-attacks. Pirog's skillful footwork would have enabled him to navigate the ring more effectively than Golovkin, frustrating the latter's pursuit and limiting his offensive opportunities.

Pirog's strategic probing to create openings would have been a key factor if they had fought. By studying Golovkin's patterns and weaknesses during the early rounds, Pirog would have been able to exploit those vulnerabilities as the fight progressed. Pirog's ability to adapt and capitalize on opportunities would have been a decisive factor in a contest against Golovkin.

Moreover, Pirog's fluidity in his movements would have presented a challenge for Golovkin, who tends to be more methodical in his approach. Pirog's seamless transitions between offense and defense would have made it challenging for Golovkin to read and respond effectively.

Pirog's technical superiority, ability to set traps, mixing of speed and changing levels, adept footwork, strategic probing, and fluidity in the ring would have made him a formidable opponent for Golovkin, leading to a decisive victory based on these attributes.