Gaza

[TitoFan]

I don't know how many times we need to see mechanized armed to the teeth forces enter a territory and turn civilians into next gen recruits to know how this repeats. Again. And again.

But they wouldn't have done so had there not been the initial attack.
Do you remember all the pictures of armed Israeli citizens going about their lives? Apparently the leadership in Israel thought it proper to disarm those people and...
Personally, if i ran Israel, I would secure the prosperity and security of my people by exterminating every Palestinian that i could find. If I were a Palestinian I would probably have been throwing bombs and causing trouble.

I've refrained from posting here on account of it being a sensitive subject and all. But I'm glad to see a little bit of argument for the other side.

"But they wouldn't have done so had there not been the initial attack."

Precisely. What seems to get lost in all of this was the initial attack.

And isn't it always the same...

1. Terrorists attack country, using neighboring country as base.

2. Terrorists then hide among the populace, knowing any counterattack is certain to cause civilian casualties and global condemnation.

3. Creative terrorists are even capable of killing/destroying targets within neighboring country... then pointing an accusatory finger at the counter attackers.

4. War drags on... global horrification turns into pressure on counter attackers to establish ceasefires... terrorists regroup and plan further attacks.

5. Rinse and repeat.

I, as everyone else with a pulse, feel horrible about the civilian casualties and crumbling infrastructure inside Gaza.

But knowing what should be blatantly clear by now... how the FUCK does a territory like Gaza allow a terrorist group like Hamas to launch an attack that everybody knows full well what the repercussions are going to be.

Gazans can't do anything about it, you say. Fine. How about the neighboring Arab countries, which stand to lose in a full-fledged conflict such as this, what with the hundreds of thousands of refugees that will look to flood their borders?



All I know is this: Israel and its Arab neighbors have been at it since many, many decades ago. World leaders, including U.S. Presidents, have come and gone, trying unsuccessfully to create some sort of lasting peace in the Middle East. Sure... Arabs and Israelis will never like or trust each other.

But damn it. Arab countries are well aware of the existence of these radical, terrorist groups whose only mission in life is the extermination of Israel. Well... since that ain't gonna happen... might as well live with that fact, and continue working together as best you can.

One thing's for certain. Every time some Hamas or Hezbollah group decides to launch an attack on Israel and then hide in a neighboring country... Israel is going to go looking for them... and some schools, hospitals, and innocent civilians are going to be blown up. Either by weary, trigger-happy Israelis... or by clever terrorists, looking to pin the blame on Israel.

A schoolyard fight on a deadly, global scale.

[Kirkland Laing]

I don't know how many times we need to see mechanized armed to the teeth forces enter a territory and turn civilians into next gen recruits to know how this repeats. Again. And again.

But they wouldn't have done so had there not been the initial attack.
Do you remember all the pictures of armed Israeli citizens going about their lives? Apparently the leadership in Israel thought it proper to disarm those people and...
Personally, if i ran Israel, I would secure the prosperity and security of my people by exterminating every Palestinian that i could find. If I were a Palestinian I would probably have been throwing bombs and causing trouble.

I've refrained from posting here on account of it being a sensitive subject and all. But I'm glad to see a little bit of argument for the other side.

"But they wouldn't have done so had there not been the initial attack."

Precisely. What seems to get lost in all of this was the initial attack.

And isn't it always the same...

1. Terrorists attack country, using neighboring country as base.

2. Terrorists then hide among the populace, knowing any counterattack is certain to cause civilian casualties and global condemnation.

3. Creative terrorists are even capable of killing/destroying targets within neighboring country... then pointing an accusatory finger at the counter attackers.

4. War drags on... global horrification turns into pressure on counter attackers to establish ceasefires... terrorists regroup and plan further attacks.

5. Rinse and repeat.

I, as everyone else with a pulse, feel horrible about the civilian casualties and crumbling infrastructure inside Gaza.

But knowing what should be blatantly clear by now... how the FUCK does a territory like Gaza allow a terrorist group like Hamas to launch an attack that everybody knows full well what the repercussions are going to be.

Gazans can't do anything about it, you say. Fine. How about the neighboring Arab countries, which stand to lose in a full-fledged conflict such as this, what with the hundreds of thousands of refugees that will look to flood their borders?



All I know is this: Israel and its Arab neighbors have been at it since many, many decades ago. World leaders, including U.S. Presidents, have come and gone, trying unsuccessfully to create some sort of lasting peace in the Middle East. Sure... Arabs and Israelis will never like or trust each other.

But damn it. Arab countries are well aware of the existence of these radical, terrorist groups whose only mission in life is the extermination of Israel. Well... since that ain't gonna happen... might as well live with that fact, and continue working together as best you can.

One thing's for certain. Every time some Hamas or Hezbollah group decides to launch an attack on Israel and then hide in a neighboring country... Israel is going to go looking for them... and some schools, hospitals, and innocent civilians are going to be blown up. Either by weary, trigger-happy Israelis... or by clever terrorists, looking to pin the blame on Israel.

A schoolyard fight on a deadly, global scale.

Hamas aren't some small group hiding in a sea of people who don't like them. They're by far the most popular group in Gaza and the West Bank:


Despite the devastation caused by the new war, support for Hamas had risen in Gaza and more than tripled in the West Bank. Fifty-two percent of Gazans and 85% of West Bank respondents - or 72% of Palestinian respondents overall - voiced satisfaction with the role of Hamas in the war.
Just 10% of the poll’s 1,712 respondents said they had seen evidence that Hamas committed war crimes during the 7 October attack, despite the fact that extreme violence towards Israeli civilians has been well documented by the international media.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...october-attack

The last time there was an election in the palestinian territories Hamas won in Gaza and the West Bank.

No neighbouring country wants to get involved with Gaza. What are they going to do exactly? The same as Israel but with less discriminate/accurate weapons and with no chance of anything resembling success.

Israel and the Palestinians both want a state from the river to the sea. Only one of them has any chance of success and the conditions needed for them to achieve it are all rapidly falling into place.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Israel is crumbling as we speak and they will never be able to defeat Hamas and once Hezbollah gets involved a little bit more in this war, Israel will be totally crushed.

States and Israel and the UK are all finished

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Where was France and the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, the evil UK, the satanic US who are supposedly bastions and champions of human rights and inalienable rights on this ongoing genocide by Israel against the Palestinians? Just a bunch of Western colonial compromised cowards, WHO CANNOT BEAR TO SEE SOUTH AFRICA TAKING A LEADING ROLE IN THIS PROSECUTION

https://youtu.be/5ufbfFTi38A?si=s9OTD2GQw3B1eJbx

[NoSavingByTheBell]

https://youtu.be/U_l2U7zYSGM?si=SOdkrHck7ul4feIY

*ISRAEL AND THE UNITED KINGDOM AND THE UNITED STATES ARE ALL GUILTY OF GENOCIDE AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS*

[NoSavingByTheBell]

"never again" didn't just mean never again for the Jews.

It means never again for ANYONE