Wilder resume.

[Memphis]

I think his resume is alright to be fair. The man can't fight. Or rather the man can't box. I'm hearing a lot of experts recently talk about how he hasn't been taught how to box and how he's some how been failed. That's horse shit. He's been taught, he's been shown. His problem is that once he gets in the ring it all goes out the window. The one time he stuck to an alternate game plan (Fury 3), he blew up in a few rounds as his tiny mind couldn't compute all the new information for very long.

For someone that can't box, that has traded off one weapon his entire career, he's done alright. We can all cut or cloth to suit when it comes to resumes. Paint the prettiest or ugliest picture dependent on our obligations. The Parker loss is damaging. As nice a bloke as he is, and as nice a story it is for Parker to have this success so late in his career, I think now that he's propelled himself into another big fight, we'll soon see that Parker is just as done as he was when he got mauled by Joyce. Dependent on who he goes in with next of course, but Wilder did a great job of making Parker look good.

The three failed bites at Fury are a blot for sure. But like him or not Fury is elite.

Everyone else, Wilder has chinned. His one weapon in his arsenal was too much for a who's who of contenders. People scoff at his 'best' wins over Ortiz. People get all Coming to America "Ortiz was a 187 years old!" and can't wait to tell you how Ortiz was winning up until getting chinned. Like it matters. At the time, I don't remember people forming an orderly queue to share a ring with Ortiz. He was firmly at the head of the who needs him club and Wilder took care of business, twice. He deserves credit for that.

A tough man with lots of heart and a cannon of a right hand. A world champion with ten title defences. He did alright.

I think he disappears now. He'll say all the right things about coming back, but the bottom line is I just don't think he wants to. A passive Anthony Joshua was a big problem, but he managed to win in other ways. A passive Deontay Wilder is terminal. If he's not going to let the right hand go with any conviction or regularity, he might as well walk away.

[TitoFan]

We all do 180's on some fighters at some point. My point was the Parker fight with Wilder.

I was one of the loud voices saying Wilder had better than a 50/50 chance against AJ. Their respective performances a few days ago quieted me for sure. AJ impressively knocked out a very good boxer in Otto Wallin... while Wilder looked like a deer in headlights against Parker. Granted, Parker is a great boxer. But still, man...

I guess the trilogy with Fury took all the fight out of Wilder. I still feel the pre-Fury Wilder had a great chance to put Joshua's lights out. But now? Not a chance.

Another thing. We're all used to seeing different body types at heavyweight. From the chiseled Joshua-types, to the blubbery Fury. But Wilder? How the hell does he get around on those toothpicks for legs? It's been said here and many times before. Too much focus on the upper body, and not enough squats. Those spindly legs betray him every time he gets in trouble. His legs are incapable of enabling him to perform the footwork that would do him a world of good during tough fights. Can you imagine Wilder trying to bounce around on those things for 12 rounds? Daniel Dubois, to his everlasting credit, called upon his legs to get out of the way of the lumbering Miller during their own fight. Dubois is a pretty good sized heavyweight. Yet he could use his legs when called upon. Can you imagine Wilder bouncing around like that? I don't think so.

Wilder's equalizer was that howitzer of a right hand, coupled with his belief that he could erase anybody at any time. Now even his psyche is gone.

If he still wants to climb to the top, he needs to start from scratch. Bear down... get a trainer that can help him (and LISTEN TO HIM)... put in the legwork (literally)... lose the celebrity lifestyle... and set your sights on your goal.
If not, then yes... just walk away.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

The sheer beating physically and mentally he took from Fury 3 was CLEAR AS DAY he would have very little left for future fights. Helenius ran straight into a blindly and luckily thrown right hand. So prolly Wilder's last hurrah, like a hobbling old Babe Ruth hitting 3 homers in his last game...

Fury sapped all Wilder's skinny frame had in it. The beating was sustained and epic. His will to fight was beaten out of him. Sad fact of boxing.

Resume? Not all his fault. Joshua didn't want shit to do with him, as wilder would have killed him pre-Fury 3.

Now it's still 50/50.

[Master]

Wilders attitude to the loss by Parker was more worrying. He was content and glad to pick up the huge pay cheque. Wilder will fight on but realistically he is not the force he was defending his title before he met Fury.

Wilder v top USA fighters would be interesting handing over the torch to the younger boxers.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Master you raise really good points. It was weird and worrisome how glibly, lightly, "gracefully" (to play devil's advocate I actually was impressed with how gracefully he accepted the loss and how he calmly admitted it although he did stick in a little Barb at the end saying that he thought he had won!) And his personality as mellowed quite a bit and it must be an extension of his fighting style as well or just his enthusiasm whatever remains.

[Primo Carnera]

Some people still struggling to see through Wilder’s career and still blaming AJ for the fight not happening.
In all Wilder’s 40 odd fights , I have only ever seen 1 piece of technically good boxing!
Against Brezeale when he KO’d him in the 1st round, he threw a text book “Jab, straight Right” combo that was perfect!
It has to be said , Brezeale was in no shape whatsoever, but I don’t want to totally take it away from Wilder.
As for the rest of his career, his best fighters on his resume are:
Fury - Lost 3 times. (Yep, you read right.)
Parker - Lost every round
Ortiz - good boxer, but 40 years old, yet he won every round before getting KO’d out of sheer tiredness.
As for Malik Scott, well he was an average fighter with a padded career, he’s an average/below average trainer at that level, BUT……………………He is shagging Kate Abdo , so he is fucking winning in life! Jammy fucker.

[Beanz]

Mind blowing delusional stuff...and not just from Wilder. Fury really is nothing like as good as he has convinced so many people, (including himself) that he is and Wilders trilogy with the dosser is now quite clearly not so impressive after all.

It is a shocking resume and while Fury's is better it is still full of satsumas. The weird irrational anti Joshua stuff is odd because from a neutral standpoint his resume is clearly better and has never avoided anyone.

Fury's trilogy with Wilder is one long duck in itself.