1973 George Foreman vs 1942 Joe Louis

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so why say Joe all day if foreman weighted the same?

It’s just my opinion Kimo-sabbe

Louis's moves were direct and purposeful and allowed him to be a very dangerous opponent.

I have always maintained that Joe Louis' efficiency set the standard for a heavyweight puncher. It's the way he was always set up to punch and...you can see that he is already setting up the second, third punch before he is even completing the first punch.

When I watch guys like Louis I almost feel as though cutting the ring down is unnecessary. When you watch this level of expertise Louis displays he is always ready to throw a punch, he never even needs to move into position to go on offence, he was always on offence.

when the issue isn't weight it's the movements.

The problem is you are more impressed by footspeed than hand speed.

Some guys have faster foot speed but slower hand speed, like Ricky Hatton or maybe AJ. Some guys have slower footspeed but faster hand speed like say Andy Ruiz.

You fail to recognize other aspects of the sport.

You talk about “movements” but today head movement is strictly categorised as a defensive move back in the day it was always used for clever baiting.

he and guys from his time look like novices compared side by side to no names Foreman fought, and in no way does anyone from that era look like they would last 1 round vs. guys in the 70s-'90s

Athletic ability alone doesn’t determine a great fighter. So yes to the untrained eye, old timers will look like a novice to some because they don't look as athletic

The thing is boxing requires a massive amount of mental strength which always leaves a huge X factor

Zab Judah looked great. Very athletic. Passed the eye test to the max. As he rose in the rankings he was seen as one of the best fighters of modern times, But against Kostya Tzyu, he backed straight up with his hands down as Tyzu kept firing at him and he was badly hurt and stopped. This is a mistake the old masters would not make but would certainly take advantage of.

Also consider then that there were a lot more fighters back in the early part of the century than there are today. It is simply beyond dispute that top level fighters nowadays have much easier careers than fighters of 50 years ago. And the path to becoming a 'world champion' is so different that the two can't even be compared.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the Joe Frazier Vs Eddie Hearn fight.



I know this is a long post but it's the only way I could get my point across.