Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
i just think if you want to discuss a fighter you should be able to acknowledge when the same thing i done by other fighters. i also respect floyd as a fighter but more in his earlier years. much of his career after the jose castillo rematch i could do without. i do give him credit for how he handle canelo though, although the catchweight takes some shine off for me. tyson knew deontay was a limited fighter, that's why he fought him only three fights into his return & then twice more. i only mentioned macho & the prince because of how much distain they received, nothing to do with who they fought. whenever you reach the level canelo is at you will always receive a degree of hate, the reasons can differ immensely. you said canelo's been carefully built. taking on floyd is not careful building, most thought canelo lost the first fight to ggg, canelo took the immediate rematch, that is careful building & if dmitry was a gross miscalculation, then that's not careful building. one excuse for canelo not to fight david b is that he doesn't have to yet, david b is not his mandatory & the fight hasn't been ordered. canelo's fought punchers & guys in his same division & above him

I absolutely acknowledge the same things on other fighters. Always have. Canelo just happens to be head and shoulders above anyone else on these things. Did Floyd protect his "0" when he could've taken bigger challenges at some point in his career? Of course. I agree that Macho and Prince got more than their share of disdain. But like you said it had nothing to do with whom they fought. In fact, that is one of their positive sides to their respective careers. But I'll push back on your statement of "whenever you reach the level canelo is at you will always receive a degree of hate". First, we need to agree on the definition of the word "level." Canelo is a product of the social media age. There have PLENTY of much better fighters than Canelo in the past... and I dare say many more will come in the future. Canelo is a great fighter. Nothing more... nothing less. But he's a social media phenomenon. He's also the darling of legion of casual fans who have little or no recollection of boxing in past decades. You don't have to be old, of course. You just have to be a student of the sport and watch old fights, and research old fighters. You are the exception. Very knowledgeable about the sport and its past... but somehow an avowed Canelo fan. I can name plenty of fighters that achieved the heights of Canelo and MUCH higher... yet did not receive the amount of hate that Canelo receives.

I stick to my point of Canelo's career being carefully built... and of course these are all opinions. You can mention Floyd as an exception. Ok. Floyd was then what Canelo is now. The fighter everyone wants to cash in with. Everyone thinks he's p4p and demands to fight guys like Floyd back then and Canelo now. Hatton thought he was p4p and look what happened to him. Against Floyd AND against Pac. Canelo thought hugely of himself (along with his legions) and demanded a fight with Floyd. Floyd proceeded to call it one of the easiest fights he's ever had. You mention the rematch with GGG. Let's begin with the 1st fight. Once again I'll state... Canelo could've fought GGG a couple of years prior, when GGG was calling him out. That's where the infamous "marinating" term was first coined. Canelo was "not yet ready" to fight GGG at 160. Yet he was ready to go up to 164 and fight JCC's mummy of a son. THEN... he fought GGG. Again, everything under Canelo's terms and convenience. Bivol? Yes, a gross miscalculation. Hey... even Canelo overrides his team once in a while and bites off more than he can chew. But Canelo has a LONG boxing history. Most of his picks for fights have been coldly calculated with minimum risk involved.

David B? I think Spicoli makes some very good points regarding Benavidez, so I won't repeat them. Suffice it to say that Benavidez has been the white elephant in the room for quite some time now. He's been conveniently ignored, while Canelo goes after the Jermell Charlos of the world. It is hard to respect someone like that.

I've been a Canelo hater from the beginning, so there's that. But I know for a fact that some people that started as Canelo fans in the beginning have since seen the light.

If Canelo truly is the "face of boxing", we're screwed.