Haney vs Garcia

[Spicoli]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

[Kirkland Laing]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.

What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?

[Spicoli]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.

What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?

He looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper . Meat prices have finally dropped locally!

[Kirkland Laing]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.

What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?

He looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper . Meat prices have finally dropped locally!

You should see his face after the last knockdown when he's sitting on his arse. Shame, embarrasment and seeing his ATGreatness flashing before his eyes as it disappears over the horizon and leaves a scared unhappy looking boy sitting on the canvas. His soul and his confidence gone for good. Very rare you get the hero to zero thing manifest itself so comprehensively in just a few short rounds. A truly dramatic fight. Garcia may turn out to really be a degenerate infant but the fucker can fight and his style is box office. Him and Davis make a good pair.

You should try doing this:




You can make chicken like this:





Cover that chicken with lemon juice and it tastes spectacular. That would go down a storm in your neck of the woods, everybody will want to try the spicy red chicken. That's a chain of restaurants and/or food trucks just sitting there waiting to be had.

[Spicoli]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

Haney looks far too small for 140 never mind 147. When you see it you'll be shocked how small he looks. Any 140 pounder anywhere near the top of the rankings who is a monstor for his weight will be thinking I can't outbox him but I could walk right through him.

What precise part of the pig did you smoke and in what fashion?

He looked scary gaunt going into Loma I recall but calculated as Loma wasn't pitching bricks either. Still thought Loma edged that one but him going up was supposed to resolve his weight issue. Just can't see it getting better for him at 147 by any means. Seen some highlights this morning and off the first KD you could see that look...the wide eyed unfocused oh shit it's going to be a long night because I can't take that shot look. Yeh just basic butt/shoulder slow smoked, cajun rub, dijon, cinnamon and a pile of light toasted brioche rolls. Sauteed onion and slaw for the capper . Meat prices have finally dropped locally!

You should see his face after the last knockdown when he's sitting on his arse. Shame, embarrasment and seeing his ATGreatness flashing before his eyes as it disappears over the horizon and leaves a scared unhappy looking boy sitting on the canvas. His soul and his confidence gone for good. Very rare you get the hero to zero thing manifest itself so comprehensively in just a few short rounds. A truly dramatic fight. Garcia may turn out to really be a degenerate infant but the fucker can fight and his style is box office. Him and Davis make a good pair.

You should try doing this:




You can make chicken like this:





Cover that chicken with lemon juice and it tastes spectacular. That would go down a storm in your neck of the woods, everybody will want to try the spicy red chicken. That's a chain of restaurants and/or food trucks just sitting there waiting to be had.

Ffs that's a lot of work talking electric drills, may as well break ground for the new garden project I've been putting off . Does look like nice results though and sound diy plan. We attempted a quickie stone brick over some time ago with mixed results, the sealing being the major factor. Surely has to beat an air fryer which seems to be the new crutch for some meats. Ryan will def venture 147 and should now. They may want to full around with more CW half steps and can't see Davis over 140 but you never know. 147 is opening up now with Crawford and Spence exited, likely Boots Ennis as well, so he should jump right in.

[TitoFan]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

[Kirkland Laing]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

[TitoFan]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

[Ivan Zhelezo]

I apologize to Ryan Garcia. I was wrong

[Master]

That ended up being an entertaining contest but too scrappy and too much holding to be rated a classic.

Garcia left hook had immediate affect in the first round when it landed on Haney, whose eye’s went into orbit from the impact.

The power in Garcia left hook was the main difference as he knocked down poor Haney 3 times.
Devin was outboxing Ryan when he was not getting rocked and was ahead in the first half of the bout. Haney was slower and was less resistant against Garcia. Ryan fought in erratic bursts which confused Haney so much that he forgot about the dangerous left hook.

Those knockdowns will have an impact on Haney, and I hope he comes back but both fighters were huge at the weight which is normal for boxers nowadays.

I do not like Garcia, he missed the weight, acted like a brat and I hate his shoulder roll. It is poor and I blame Floyd for influencing boxers thinking they can use it. Garcia poor but highly rated trainer can not control Ryan, he is a law to himself and will implode.

[Master]

Judge Robin Taylor on the right seemed a bit too pro Ryan Garcia.

[Kirkland Laing]

That ended up being an entertaining contest but too scrappy and too much holding to be rated a classic. Garcia left hook had immediate affect in the first round when it landed on Haney, whose eye’s went into orbit from the impact. The power in Garcia left hook was the main difference as he knocked down poor Haney 3 times. Devin was outboxing Ryan when he was not getting rocked and was ahead in the first half of the bout. Haney was slower and was less resistant against Garcia. Ryan fought in erratic bursts which confused Haney so much that he forgot about the dangerous left hook. Those knockdowns will have an impact on Haney, and I hope he comes back but both fighters were huge at the weight which is normal for boxers nowadays. I do not like Garcia, he missed the weight, acted like a brat and I hate his shoulder roll. It is poor and I blame Floyd for influencing boxers thinking they can use it. Garcia poor but highly rated trainer can not control Ryan, he is a law to himself and will implode.

His shoulder roll is shocking. He has no idea what he's doing or why he should be doing it. I forgot to mention that.

[Kirkland Laing]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

What leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.

If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.

[TitoFan]

Missed everything last night but did manage to get half the garage paneled and pork butt smoked . So degenerative infancy conquers all it turns out. Without seeing the specs it sounds like power won over Haney who was throwing nerf balls and showed a pretty brittle beard. Haney kept getting up, Ryan kept putting him down and did not finish him but just as good with the beat up. The blown weight and glaring unprofessionalism are swept under the rug as if it never existed. And guys intentionally blowing weight as to not "drain" down for added advantage thus forfeiting titles is not a Ryan camp creation they're just another extension. The prefight BS and celebrated childishness remains what it was in my honest opinion and we're likely to see more of it. Yeah boxing . No idea where they go but it seems both might want to consider moving up. Again didn't see Haney in full fight or real time but sounds like he was pretty frail after the connects.

This.

Garcia wrecked a pound for pound unbeaten fighter. Took his soul. He must have some reasonable level of boxing talent no?

"Reasonable level of boxing talent" is a fairly low bar to reach, so... sure.

But when I read "degenerative infancy" (good one ), "glaring unprofessionalism" (nail on head), and "celebrated childishness" (ouch)... I'm only sorry I didn't think of those spot-on descriptions first.

Yes. PrincessRy wrecked Haney. Which just goes to show me that the other 140-pound champions (Matias, Teo, Pitbull) would surely have ripped Haney a new one.

A now-exposed chin, and a now-suspect ranking heading into the fight. Sadly, Haney was overrated. It happens.

Yes. The kid (Garcia) is talented.

But spare us the teenage girl shenanigans, the nose-thumbing at basic weight rules, and the leapfrogging of more deserving fighters to fame and fortune.

He's good. But I'll be firmly rooting against him in every fight he fights.

What leapfrogging? You can't complain that most top fighters would rather avoid each other, which is true, and then complain when one of them actually takes big fights. He's a top talent and very promotable. Promoters are going to be queuing to promote him and willing to put up the dollars required to get big fights. And he takes the fights. He fought Davis who a lot of top fighters are avoiding. And he's the best name on Davis's record, that fucker is still fighting second tier opposition thirty fights into his career. It's a shame Davis isn't doing a bit of leapfrogging isn't it. Then he fought Haney who is an unbeaten pound for pound guy. So he isn't being protected and he's taking the big fights when they can be made. We would all love it if all the top boxers did this.

If there's any fighter out there who could go the social media freak show route and pick up huge purses fighting guys he has no chance of losing against it's Garcia but he's taking the big fights so deserves some credit for that.

"Most top fighters would rather avoid each other" is a generalization I wouldn't be too comfortable making. Let's start with "top fighters." You mean quality fighters at or near the top of their divisions? Or you mean the box office draws that only casual fans know about? Because that distinction is important. If you're talking top draws, then yeah... maybe there's some high-profile names out there that "would rather avoid" other fighters. I can think of a certain redhead that excels at just that. If you're talking the former, then I think that generalization is a bit unfair. There are top fighters laboring at or near the top of their divisions, who have ALREADY taken on the best fighters out there.

"He takes the big fights." He got noticed with Luke Campbell... got knocked out by Davis... picked on an undersized Duarte who was making a jump from lightweight... and beat a Devin Haney who, let's face it... was likely a bit overrated. Do you consider this a lengthy resume? One constructed with good fight after good fight? Hey I get it... it's the 2020's. Instant gratification is where it's at. Have good looks and a massive social media account... will follow.

You won't see me defending Davis, who has all the talent in the world, but little to show for it.

But back to Ryan. He was wanting an exhibition against Pacquiao back when Pac shouldn't even have given him the time of day. He calls himself "The Face of Boxing." He wears a silly crown and calls himself King. King of what, exactly? I can probably mention a few things he's king of... but don't want to sound insensitive.

Let's be clear... I've never said he has no talent. My main point is he's bad for boxing.

[Denilson3.0]

I don't mean to brag but erm well.......



Also Devin ?



Think Devin might have to plead the 5th after Saturday on that one

I want to say that's it's good and a welcome change to see two young elite fighters IN THEIR PRIMES fighting. Ray Leonard was 25 and Hearns was 22 when they fought. Ray Leonard was 23 and Duran was 28 when they fought. Ali was 28 and Frazier 26 when they first fought. They were classics for a reason. They're in their primes !!! Stop ageing these fighters out till they are close to 40 and then getting it on and we have to watch Brook Vs Khan or Mayweather Vs Manny trash

Anyway gotta say Devin's response to the defeat has been class



And Bill Haney's response

“We turn losses into lessons and then turn them into blessings”​

Fair play to Bill here. They're chalking that shyt up and getting back in the lab and I gotta say Haney ain't got no quit in him. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy that'll be mentally broken by this loss. Haney is just cursed with inferior genetics. Mid chin, he has “keep you honest” power, but though he backed Garcia multiple times he can't crack and his defence failed him when he got caught by the main punch that’s outstanding in Garcia’s arsenal. Now everybody with good size will think they can just walk him down to get to his chin.

Devin is STILL a blue chip fighter, he's mix of Paulie Malignaggi and Amir khan but he's not great on the front foot. He needs to improve his counterpunching when it gets hectic and he has no idea how to defend himself on the inside other than by clinching. That worked for him when he was much heavier than his opponents, although even then it was barely enough against Loma.

But against a guy like Ryan who was at least his size if not bigger, it was disastrous. Haney was massive at 135 so when he was fighting smaller older guys with shorter arms. He was able to control range, jab, counter shots to the body. Grabbing and hold is much more effective when you're the stronger/longer dude. But the moment he fought a taller bigger man with just as much reach as him ? He was lost.

Far too often Haney tried to clinch against Ryan but couldn't do so quickly enough, and was wide open for Garcia's hook, uppercut and chopping right. And when he could clinch, Garcia made him pay for it by outwrestling him and making him carry his weight (on his neck), which is probably a big part of why he slowed down as the fight went on.

I also thought as soon as Ryan hurt Haney in the first round he needed to open and I truly believe he could have got Devin out of there in Rnd1 because Haney wasn't going anywhere. Haney for whatever reason was trying to catch and shoot. Unlike Tank, who wasn't bothered with that machismo, stand your ground stuff. Tank thought "You open up on me Ryan and I'm getting outta there and then I'll catch you on the way in" I didn't get why Ryan was giving Devin so much time and space.

But love him or hate him, Haney challenges himself in a way very few fighters do

And it has to be talked about

But when Ryan came in 3 lbs overweight I knew this was gonna be an issue. I think it was planned for him to not give a fk about making weight and come in as heavy and as strong as possible. Where as Devin actually made weight. We should be saluting Team Haney for even going along with the fight. I would say the vast majority of the athletes in combat sports are trying to be weight bullies. The whole idea of cutting weight originates from wrestlers who are trying to get down into a smaller weight class, so that they have a strength advantage. It's morphed over time into what we have today in boxing, wrestling, and MMA.

Boxing is becoming one big weight grift then again some would say Haney has weighed up to 160 in his fights so they don't feel much sympathy for someone who's had considerable size advantage in majority of his fights. So what happened on Saturday is justice to some because the three pounds were meaningless as Haney, typically rehydrates 20 plus pounds on fight night. Which means he probably weighed more than Garcia. What I've learned from this is that nobody really cares about anything other than the result at the end of the day. History only cares about who won and lost

But you only need to look at Ryan who fought Tank and the Ryan who Devin to see the difference.



Right pic looks like he was just liberated by the Allied Army. Emaciated looking.

Ryan is crazy and he can fight. They are not mutually exclusive things. He's not Ricardo Mayorga crazy but he is a bit crazy. Ryan has been putting in work in the boxing since a kid, kicking ass since the amateurs. Ppl be letting the social media fool them. Garcia is savage with them hands. He has one-hit KO power in his left and a stun gun in his right. Pair those with his good offensive reaction time and if he corrected his sloppy footwork, he'd be very tough to beat. Only way you can really stop him is if you yourself have lethal power and top notch defence (Tank).

He threw 11 jabs in the whole fight and I was told "the jab is most important punch" Imagine if Ryan dedicated his life to boxing like Haney ? He literally doesn’t even jab.......like at all, and still beat the former undisputed champ. Insane. Ryan is like the Deontay Wilder of the lightweights, except it’s his punch speed that catches everyone