Haney vs Garcia

[Spicoli]

Ok finally got to watch full version that wasn't hacked to bits, and good luck finding those. Now to be fair I've always been hesitant to score replays or at the least take all of them with a grain of salt as well, we already KNOW the result as well as the general reaction one way or the other. But regardless of how critical I was/am of Ryans conduct and just being full of shat in general I like to think I can be 'fair' when it comes to scoring over the years. You don't score from highlights or incomplete fights and fractured rounds. If it's sped up, missing chunks it doesn't count. So of the top...I had Ryan winning. But winning close. This was by no means a full-fledged bell to bell beat down similar to Crawford v Spence which I've seen it compared to. In the end I had it a 112-111 win Garcia. So for an after the fact view here tis,
1st to Garcia 10-9. Largely based on the early pressure very left hook that clearly stunned Haney. Though Haney actually steadied as would become a pattern of sorts.
2nd,3rd Haney 10-9 x2. Largely on subtle pressure and cleaner boxing. No mystery.
4th Haney 10-9 for much of the same but noticed Haney getting vertical feet. Straight line. Spots where he would rush over his lead but clearly better boxing, cleaner shots. And jabs count..
5th Haney 10-9 same fashion. By now the shell/sideways tortoise "guard" Ryan was doing was well in play. Literal back turned in a few spots as the fight played out. This is where I take issue with some of the Haney doing all the holding talk. Ryan had a very effective thing he was doing in sapping Haney. He'd clinch his neck out of the weird guard and had been warned all night for it. In spots almost draping himself on neck of Haney. Using the size. Haney was holding when he felt the power.
6th Haney 10-9. Ryan more with the back turned guard thing in corner and Haney focusing on exposed body/side. You hit what's there no? The ref actually warned Haney twice for working the body of Garcia who turned himself that way. End of round crowd was booing.
7th Garcia 10-7. Massive round Ryan and one that I scored 10-7 with the damage Haney was showing and how literally rubber his legs were. Argument can be made for 2nd kd but ruled slip. The point deduct was on Ryan clearly hit on the break, he put himself in that position. What get's lost is that even if ref "helped" Haney in round he also ignored Garcia running ring center after kd, out of neutral corner while counting. A favoring ref would have stopped action, walked him back, admonish etc. Talk about giving extra time. Ryan ends round zero punching his hands were at his knees, standing there. He was looking for wind.
8th Haney 10-9. Credit where credit is due...Haney steadied the ship and outworked Garcia though very weary and busted up.
9th Garcia 10-9. Now to me, this was a very tough round to score. At first I thought even. But I hate even round it's just very indecisive and undecided. Ryan warned again to stay off his head with arm wrap up. But at about the 40 second mark there was a stutter step on Haney that was some seriously ugly footing. Haney stepped in with what looked like a karate stance ffs and hands wide and really missed being sparked ice cold. Go look at it . Ryan whips an uppercut that half lands on a fully exposed jaw hanging out Haney. Just an odd-dumb moment.
10th Garcia 10-8. Probably Ryans cleanest most effective round to point. Rolled off strong combo coming forward and drops Haney early. Again Haney has that sagging look in his legs and is clocked again late.
11th Garcia 10-8. Fairly even/ugly round early with both warned more than once for holding and clinching. Haney dropped off of right hand left hook, eyes spin up and a wrestling match ensues. Ryan looks a little ragged and Haney looks a lot hurt. But both tying up.
12th Haney 10-9. Honestly, I think Ryan pooched this round after another example pf having Haney in bad shape prior. Some ugly clinches, Haney probing and sticking and lots of movement for the sake of movement from Ryan. In a round where he was admonished in corner "don't play with him and blow this round" he ends it with shacking his hips hands down at knees and sticking out his tongue. So Ryan gets the win fair and square once the fight started. Both in dire need of moving up imo and had noticeable points in stamina. Haney can't break an egg or hurt feelings with his punches. Ryan is by no means a finisher and fought in gaps of activity. He used his size and frame deceptively and to his advantage in close. Haney showed very little adjustment and can be said he didn't fight the smart fight. But he showed some sac not having too much say in the matter once he was hurt. Garcia with 2,3 combos is a true threat but way too few and far between and his defense remains leaky. No idea where Haney goes...147 Mario Barrios? As for Ryan it's getting a bit carried away tbh. Calls for Ryan vs Crawford mmm . Let's keep things in perspective.

[Kirkland Laing]

7th Garcia 10-7. Massive round Ryan and one that I scored 10-7 with the damage Haney was showing and how literally rubber his legs were. Argument can be made for 2nd kd but ruled slip. The point deduct was on Ryan clearly hit on the break, he put himself in that position. What get's lost is that even if ref "helped" Haney in round he also ignored Garcia running ring center after kd, out of neutral corner while counting. A favoring ref would have stopped action, walked him back, admonish etc. Talk about giving extra time. Ryan ends round zero punching his hands were at his knees, standing there. He was looking for wind.

I watched a couple of rounds again but mainly the seventh. The ref kept Haney in the fight here. He spent the seventh and other times Haney was shaken and holding calling for them to break but he never physically broke them. Taking a point without a warning and not taking a point for the endless holding is bad enough but letting Haney cling on without braking them when Haney was one punch away from being knocked out was shocking. I mean he's giving Haney every chance to get through it and make it to the later rounds and the point deduction/non point deduction helps the judges fiddle the cards if it was close and oh at least one knockdown ruled a slip. It's bad but it's what you expect. Haney is the house fighter and you expect it. We've seen similar fights over the years with similar reffing and it's given the judges the opportunity to give the win to a guy who really lost. Without the three knockdowns they would have done it here too.

[Spicoli]

7th Garcia 10-7. Massive round Ryan and one that I scored 10-7 with the damage Haney was showing and how literally rubber his legs were. Argument can be made for 2nd kd but ruled slip. The point deduct was on Ryan clearly hit on the break, he put himself in that position. What get's lost is that even if ref "helped" Haney in round he also ignored Garcia running ring center after kd, out of neutral corner while counting. A favoring ref would have stopped action, walked him back, admonish etc. Talk about giving extra time. Ryan ends round zero punching his hands were at his knees, standing there. He was looking for wind.

I watched a couple of rounds again but mainly the seventh. The ref kept Haney in the fight here. He spent the seventh and other times Haney was shaken and holding calling for them to break but he never physically broke them. Taking a point without a warning and not taking a point for the endless holding is bad enough but letting Haney cling on without braking them when Haney was one punch away from being knocked out was shocking. I mean he's giving Haney every chance to get through it and make it to the later rounds and the point deduction/non point deduction helps the judges fiddle the cards if it was close and oh at least one knockdown ruled a slip. It's bad but it's what you expect. Haney is the house fighter and you expect it. We've seen similar fights over the years with similar reffing and it's given the judges the opportunity to give the win to a guy who really lost. Without the three knockdowns they would have done it here too.

I can't speak for Harvey but in my eye the holding/clinching was pretty mutual. Ryan more subtle with it and tbh he fought the pace of an older fighter, managing his gas tank. And the turning of back is blatant and I believe illegal but it enabled Garcia to break out of it into the clear head locks he was rightfully warned for. He calls it a shoulder roll but James Toney is laughing out loud at that. It's strictly a defensive shell...and Haney was repeatedly told not to punch him early on. Ryan doesn't fight out of it, no up jab and no counter right. He was just shelling up to get the break and kill time. Would he have stopped Haney in 7th I have no idea. Like I said at least one of those was a KD to me and should have been called also. But again by not doing so didn't it actually afford Haney less time. I thought for sure Ryan would stop him easily going into 8th after all that damage but he couldn't. And again going into 11th and 12th, but he didn't. I still think this was actually a close fight absent the knockdowns judging per the individual round and not the collective. In rounds I think I had it 7-5 Haney to be honest. It's hard to argue a fight the guy won at the end of the day but in large part I put not getting the KO on Ryan himself. He just didn't prepare for a sustained onslaught and fought in gaps for a 25 year old. Drinking, smoking and raging in a part time "camp" does that to a guy. Cause and effect. I think all three judges were generous giving him the 12th too.

[Master]

Agree with Spicoli, the fight was close and the knockdowns made the difference to the final score. Garcia was fighting in spurts and Haney was winning the early rounds to be ahead in the contest.

The ref had to take a point off from Garcia in the 7th for the illegal punch and there was only 1 legitimate knockdown in that round.

The ref did a good job, nothing to do with the house fighter.

[Kirkland Laing]

7th Garcia 10-7. Massive round Ryan and one that I scored 10-7 with the damage Haney was showing and how literally rubber his legs were. Argument can be made for 2nd kd but ruled slip. The point deduct was on Ryan clearly hit on the break, he put himself in that position. What get's lost is that even if ref "helped" Haney in round he also ignored Garcia running ring center after kd, out of neutral corner while counting. A favoring ref would have stopped action, walked him back, admonish etc. Talk about giving extra time. Ryan ends round zero punching his hands were at his knees, standing there. He was looking for wind.

I watched a couple of rounds again but mainly the seventh. The ref kept Haney in the fight here. He spent the seventh and other times Haney was shaken and holding calling for them to break but he never physically broke them. Taking a point without a warning and not taking a point for the endless holding is bad enough but letting Haney cling on without braking them when Haney was one punch away from being knocked out was shocking. I mean he's giving Haney every chance to get through it and make it to the later rounds and the point deduction/non point deduction helps the judges fiddle the cards if it was close and oh at least one knockdown ruled a slip. It's bad but it's what you expect. Haney is the house fighter and you expect it. We've seen similar fights over the years with similar reffing and it's given the judges the opportunity to give the win to a guy who really lost. Without the three knockdowns they would have done it here too.

I can't speak for Harvey but in my eye the holding/clinching was pretty mutual. Ryan more subtle with it and tbh he fought the pace of an older fighter, managing his gas tank. And the turning of back is blatant and I believe illegal but it enabled Garcia to break out of it into the clear head locks he was rightfully warned for. He calls it a shoulder roll but James Toney is laughing out loud at that. It's strictly a defensive shell...and Haney was repeatedly told not to punch him early on. Ryan doesn't fight out of it, no up jab and no counter right. He was just shelling up to get the break and kill time. Would he have stopped Haney in 7th I have no idea. Like I said at least one of those was a KD to me and should have been called also. But again by not doing so didn't it actually afford Haney less time. I thought for sure Ryan would stop him easily going into 8th after all that damage but he couldn't. And again going into 11th and 12th, but he didn't. I still think this was actually a close fight absent the knockdowns judging per the individual round and not the collective. In rounds I think I had it 7-5 Haney to be honest. It's hard to argue a fight the guy won at the end of the day but in large part I put not getting the KO on Ryan himself. He just didn't prepare for a sustained onslaught and fought in gaps for a 25 year old. Drinking, smoking and raging in a part time "camp" does that to a guy. Cause and effect. I think all three judges were generous giving him the 12th too.

I actually agree with most of that. Garcia fought like a guy who hadn't trained much but I'm not sure how much of the smoking and drinking is genuine and how much is Mayorgaish. I think the big think for me was watching a top pound for pound guy who had never been knocked down get knocked around like that. So many knockdowns. Not something you see every day.

Garcia now has a memorable performance against a legit elite boxer. He didn't just fiddle a debatable points win, he had a bunch of highlight reel moments that are gold dust for him on social media. They give him endless clout now to make all kinds of bullshit zero risk fights and make tons of money.

[TIC]

ryan apparently popped dirty

[Vendettos]

They found out he tested pos before the fight?!

What if he had killed Haney?

Why was it allowed to go ahead?

What’s the point of the test if they don’t prevent people getting hurt?

If you knew and allowed the fight to go ahead WHATS THE POINT?!

so because they knew and allowed the fight anyways I say it’s a fair win for Garcia. If you don’t use it to prevent injury then just allow everyone to use them and we can get some massive slabheads smashing each other.

Maybe even get a knockout or 2 in the woman's division.

[Master]

Ryan Garcia has tested positive for the banned PED ostarine in two drugs tests taken around his win over Devin Haney.

On April 20, the 25-year-old shocked the boxing world by flooring his rival three times and beating him by unanimous decision, but that win is now under major question.

Garcia tested positive for ostarine in two VADA drugs tests taken on the day before and on the day of the Haney win.

He also screened positive for a metabolite of nandrolone (19-norandrosterone) in one of his tests, but this result is not yet confirmed and requires further lab analysis.

Ostarine is a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) used to assist athletic performance by helping build muscle mass, burn fat and increase stamina. Nadrolone is a synthetic (lab-made) version of testosterone.

Both are well known to be banned substances, with Amir Khan having been banned over a positive test for ostarine in 2022 and Tyson Fury having accepted a backdated ban over a positive test for nandrolone in 2015.

Garcia took to social media on Wednesday night to furiously respond once the results were reported publicly.

"I came on here to address this bull-f***ing-s*** claim that I cheated," he said in a video.

"Everybody knows that I don't cheat.

"What can I say? Why didn't they come out with this before the fight if they found it before? Why would they let me step into the ring as a cheater, come out with the victory, and then they post this?"

In truth, while Garcia's drugs tests may have been taken pre-fight, the results would not have come back until days after it took place.

"These are people who are trying to attack me for whatever reason, but no weapon against me shall prosper," he continued.

"I've never taken a steroid in my life. I don't even know where to get steroids at the end of the day, I barely take supplements.

"They're saying it's coming from ashwagandha, that's f***ing r*****ed. Big lies, I beat his ass, f*** out of here. F*** the Haneys."

Haney has reacted in a written statement.

"It's unfortunate Ryan cheated and disrespected both the fans and the sport of boxing by fighting dirty and breaking positive not once, but twice," Haney said.

"Ryan owes the fans an apology, and by his recent tweet he still thinks this is a joke.

"We put our lives on the line to entertain people for a living. You don't play boxing.

"This puts the fight in a completely different light.

"Despite the disadvantage, I still fought on my shield and got back up. People die in this sport. This isn't a joking matter."

The New York Commission will now investigate the VADA drugs tests results and could overturn the result to a no-contest.

Garcia's promoter Golden Boy said: "Ryan has put out multiple statements denying knowingly using any banned substances - and we believe him.

"We are working with his team to determine how this finding came to be and will address this further once we conclude that process."

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