Zhilei Zhang says "Wilder is out of Ammo!"

[ykdadamaja]

A good and fair article here that sums up Wilder .......

Accidental champion Deontay Wilder was the American dream misunderstood | Deontay Wilder | The Guardian

The thing is, AJ dick riders will use this as an excuse to say AJ was better and would have beaten Wilder. But I contend the 2016/2017 Wilder would have knocked AJ spark out. Like he did Fury in the first fight, just that AJ would not have gotten up.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Deontay Wilder's greatest performances were against the greatest British heavyweight of all time Tyson Fury who took all the steam out of him over the course of three fights and vice versa just like Ali and Frazier destroyed each other over the course of three fights and whenever the same again, Tyson Fury will never be the same again after the beating and the pounding that he took from Deontay Wilder. But Deontay Wilder definitely we all knew the way he hit the deck in the third fight against Tyson Fury would never ever be the same again because a human body just cannot take that sort of pounding and sledgehammering and ever come back to be the same as it was.

Ironically in his two and a half defeats to Tyson Fury we saw the best of him and he was pretty damn good even if he would never be an all-time great.

[mrbig1]

Wilder has the worse foot work I've ever seen from a HW champ. He keeps his legs wide apart for power. you keep them close together for movement. he keeps his legs wild apart and tries to fight off his back foot. He has never gotten any better over the years. Now he has become a clown a side show. Time to do something else.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Wilder has the worse foot work I've ever seen from a HW champ. He keeps his legs wide apart for power. you keep them close together for movement. he keeps his legs wild apart and tries to fight off his back foot. He has never gotten any better over the years. Now he has become a clown a side show. Time to do something else.

Absolutely agree. He has shown really no improvement except in the third fight with Tyson Fury for the first three or four rounds he did show a change in style with those hard jabs to the body. He just didn't stick with it for some reason. But that was the biggest difference I've seen in this guy ever over the course of 10 years and it just only lasted three or four rounds and then he went back to the same stuff. And I hate the way he rubs his wrists and forearms right before he is going to throw a haymaker. That is even worse than telegraphing your punches. It's like when Primo or tic posts on the forum

[TIC]

Wilder has the worse foot work I've ever seen from a HW champ. He keeps his legs wide apart for power. you keep them close together for movement. he keeps his legs wild apart and tries to fight off his back foot. He has never gotten any better over the years. Now he has become a clown a side show. Time to do something else.

Absolutely agree. He has shown really no improvement except in the third fight with Tyson Fury for the first three or four rounds he did show a change in style with those hard jabs to the body. He just didn't stick with it for some reason. But that was the biggest difference I've seen in this guy ever over the course of 10 years and it just only lasted three or four rounds and then he went back to the same stuff. And I hate the way he rubs his wrists and forearms right before he is going to throw a haymaker. That is even worse than telegraphing your punches. It's like when Primo or tic posts on the forum

you're just a casual. deontay should have stayed with mark breland. he worked with what deontay had. bringing in mailk scott was a terrible decision

[TitoFan]

deontay's power always seemed overrated to me. there's a reason he targeted tyson on the comeback trail over aj

"... targeted Tyson on the comeback trail over AJ..."

Help me understand here. Aren't comebacks usually after you've lost, or had a down in your career? If my memory serves me correctly, Wilder didn't lose until his second Fury fight. If my memory serves me correctly even further, it was Fury who jumped in and put an end to the shenanigans between Wilder and AJ where each side continuously claimed the other side was ducking. This is all well documented and was talked about ad nauseum in the forum.

The following post I think is much more accurate:

The thing is, AJ dick riders will use this as an excuse to say AJ was better and would have beaten Wilder. But I contend the 2016/2017 Wilder would have knocked AJ spark out. Like he did Fury in the first fight, just that AJ would not have gotten up.

To be clear, nobody on here disputes the fact that Wilder's fundamentals have always been flawed. That he built his early resume on inferior opposition. That he had a huge right hand and little else.

But in Spanish we have a saying: "Del arbol caído todos hacen leña." Literally translated, "everyone makes firewood from the fallen tree." The closest idea in English would be "beating a dead horse."

Now that Wilder is basically, um... firewood, it's typical boxing fan behavior to dismiss him entirely. At every stage of his career. Forget his two fights against the heavily avoided Luis Ortiz. Oh... he was too old? You mean like Zhang old? Oops, I forgot. Zhang is older than Luis Ortiz was at that time. Yet he could be in line for a title shot.

So yeah... not all AJ fans are "dick riders." Not all Wilder detractors are haters.

But the fact is no one knows for certain who was ducking whom between Wilder and AJ. All I know is Fury came in and spared us a continuation of the soap opera.

Had Wilder and AJ met at that point in time? Matter of bar/pub discussion.

I'll play it safe and call it a 50/50 fight.

It'll never happen, as Wilder is on his way out of boxing... and AJ has commendably come back from his own losses.

[TIC]

deontay's power always seemed overrated to me. there's a reason he targeted tyson on the comeback trail over aj

"... targeted Tyson on the comeback trail over AJ..."

Help me understand here. Aren't comebacks usually after you've lost, or had a down in your career? If my memory serves me correctly, Wilder didn't lose until his second Fury fight. If my memory serves me correctly even further, it was Fury who jumped in and put an end to the shenanigans between Wilder and AJ where each side continuously claimed the other side was ducking. This is all well documented and was talked about ad nauseum in the forum.

To be clear, nobody on here disputes the fact that Wilder's fundamentals have always been flawed. That he built his early resume on inferior opposition. That he had a huge right hand and little else.

Forget his two fights against the heavily avoided Luis Ortiz. Oh... he was too old? You mean like Zhang old? Oops, I forgot. Zhang is older than Luis Ortiz was at that time. Yet he could be in line for a title shot.

deontay targeted tyson who was on the comeback trail. it was a good choice because tyson hadn't looked good in his two fights back after over two & a half years out & he still held some type of claim to being the man that beat the man. tyson should have won that fight once it got to the cards. deontay's team couldn't see that if he wasn't able to beat tyson at that point he wasn't beating a better prepared tyson in the rematch. luis was either off the peds when he fought deontay or on heart/ blood pressure medication which lead to the fight being cancelled originally. deontay even admitted that he turned down bigger money offered to fight aj to take the tyson rematch. i've always felt aj would have beaten deontay & like i said deontay's power seemed overrated to me

[Primo Carnera]

deontay's power always seemed overrated to me. there's a reason he targeted tyson on the comeback trail over aj

"... targeted Tyson on the comeback trail over AJ..."

Help me understand here. Aren't comebacks usually after you've lost, or had a down in your career? If my memory serves me correctly, Wilder didn't lose until his second Fury fight. If my memory serves me correctly even further, it was Fury who jumped in and put an end to the shenanigans between Wilder and AJ where each side continuously claimed the other side was ducking. This is all well documented and was talked about ad nauseum in the forum.

The following post I think is much more accurate:

The thing is, AJ dick riders will use this as an excuse to say AJ was better and would have beaten Wilder. But I contend the 2016/2017 Wilder would have knocked AJ spark out. Like he did Fury in the first fight, just that AJ would not have gotten up.

To be clear, nobody on here disputes the fact that Wilder's fundamentals have always been flawed. That he built his early resume on inferior opposition. That he had a huge right hand and little else.

But in Spanish we have a saying: "Del arbol caído todos hacen leña." Literally translated, "everyone makes firewood from the fallen tree." The closest idea in English would be "beating a dead horse."

Now that Wilder is basically, um... firewood, it's typical boxing fan behavior to dismiss him entirely. At every stage of his career. Forget his two fights against the heavily avoided Luis Ortiz. Oh... he was too old? You mean like Zhang old? Oops, I forgot. Zhang is older than Luis Ortiz was at that time. Yet he could be in line for a title shot.

So yeah... not all AJ fans are "dick riders." Not all Wilder detractors are haters.

But the fact is no one knows for certain who was ducking whom between Wilder and AJ. All I know is Fury came in and spared us a continuation of the soap opera.

Had Wilder and AJ met at that point in time? Matter of bar/pub discussion.

I'll play it safe and call it a 50/50 fight.

It'll never happen, as Wilder is on his way out of boxing... and AJ has commendably come back from his own losses.

I’m not going to dig it all up, but it’s fairly common knowledge to the extent that Wilder admitted that he pulled out of negotiations for the fight in order to fight Fury.
He even tweeted that he took less money for the Fury fight than he would’ve got for the Joshua fight.

[Spicoli]

Realized again that one of the more enjoyable tools here are the "similar topics" threads below and search feature. All I can say is I cannot deny being consistently skeptical and at times harsh on ol Wilder . Really like looking back for some perspective and how far we've come when it comes to looking at Wilder and what developed. This was after his first defense vs Eric Molina and really the kick off of his 'peakish' ferocity and highlights. With hindsight I really ask myself if his most impressive win...overall, as far as looking complete and working things out and using skills...was his title winning performance in Stiverne I. He dominated really and was not getting his head boxed off before a from behind ko. Ironically the only fight he won on the cards. Also have to say it was never a personal tear down on him but more so the almost favoritism and going out of the way to maneuver him along. A number of title challengers literally ranked nowhere near the top ten or teens shortly before defense, and then magically shot up the charts by the wbc in order to pass mustard and push the hype. And frankly the "want a body on my record" never sat well. But do hope he genuinely takes some time not only as a fighter but mainly as a husband, father and man to evaluate a course and where his road now leads. No need to get hammered out again though at the highest level. https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...ilder-now.html

[Ivan Zhelezo]

Round 12 of Ball vs Ford had me on my feet with excitement. I was expecting Dubois to quit again. I am pleased he showed heart. I wonder if the fight had continued & gone into the late rounds what might have happened. Hrgovic also showed a granite chin. Wilder's team shouldn't have put him in with Zhang. How do we compare the two careers? Is Zhang's power better? He has better technique but is very slow