Bivol v Beterbiev next!

[Primo Carnera]

i'd rather be fabio heading into the rematch. if his face can hold up i think he can make the adjustments needed from the first fight to get the win

Gotta say I disagree. I remember watching the first fight thinking if they ever rematch Clarke will beat him.
More often than not when you have a Boxer versus a slugger, the Boxer usually comes out on top. And Clarke is a way more skilful Boxer. I love Wardley’s courage and heart and his whole story mind you.
I think now Clarke has seen Wardley at close quarters, he can make the necessary adjustments and shut Wardley out.

[TIC]

you could be right. i thought the opposite. i thought fraser showed everything he had & i agree he is the better boxer, it just wasn't enough. the first fight was a foty contender & i'll be happy if we get a repeat. i don't really mind who wins as long as there is no controversy but fabio is my pick

[Primo Carnera]

i'd rather be fabio heading into the rematch. if his face can hold up i think he can make the adjustments needed from the first fight to get the win

Gotta say I disagree. I remember watching the first fight thinking if they ever rematch Clarke will beat him.
More often than not when you have a Boxer versus a slugger, the Boxer usually comes out on top. And Clarke is a way more skilful Boxer. I love Wardley’s courage and heart and his whole story mind you.
I think now Clarke has seen Wardley at close quarters, he can make the necessary adjustments and shut Wardley out.

@TIC , I couldn’t have been much more wrong than this!

[Master]

i'd rather be fabio heading into the rematch. if his face can hold up i think he can make the adjustments needed from the first fight to get the win

Gotta say I disagree. I remember watching the first fight thinking if they ever rematch Clarke will beat him.
More often than not when you have a Boxer versus a slugger, the Boxer usually comes out on top. And Clarke is a way more skilful Boxer. I love Wardley’s courage and heart and his whole story mind you.
I think now Clarke has seen Wardley at close quarters, he can make the necessary adjustments and shut Wardley out.

@TIC , I couldn’t have been much more wrong than this!

That was a sickening knock out and Clarke face was distorted. I was really worried that may have caused permanent damage.

[TIC]

i'd rather be fabio heading into the rematch. if his face can hold up i think he can make the adjustments needed from the first fight to get the win

Gotta say I disagree. I remember watching the first fight thinking if they ever rematch Clarke will beat him.
More often than not when you have a Boxer versus a slugger, the Boxer usually comes out on top. And Clarke is a way more skilful Boxer. I love Wardley’s courage and heart and his whole story mind you.
I think now Clarke has seen Wardley at close quarters, he can make the necessary adjustments and shut Wardley out.

@TIC , I couldn’t have been much more wrong than this!

that's why we all love this game

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Sorry if this has already been posted but did anyone else notice the similarities between the Bivol Beterbiev fight and the Trinidad Dela Hoya fights?

I personally thought Bivol did just enough but can see why he lost.

I know it's wrong but Frazer Clarke should be renamed Taser Face.

[X]

What an excellent fight that was, with two guys who are the genuine real deal.

Whilst I originally thought Bivol would box his way to a decision against an ageing and recently injured Beterbiev, that decision could easily have gone either way or even to a draw.

What was interesting was that Bivol and his corner thought they had won, while Beterbiev and his corner seemed deflated when the final bell rang.

Both guys showed amazing fitness, technique power and guts. Bivol was at times masterful while Beterbiev fights like he is made of leather. Two tough guys who behaved impeccably afterwards. Bivol, especially, who was absolutely gutted but refused to complain. Beterbiev, a really intimidating fighter was very smiley and jolly!

What I didn’t like was the totally unappreciative dead crowd, sycophantic sucking up to various Saudis and the permanent presence of that sinister little shit, Turki Alsheikh or whatever he is called.

[KickMuck]

What I didn’t like was the totally unappreciative dead crowd, sycophantic sucking up to various Saudis and the permanent presence of that sinister little shit, Turki Alsheikh or whatever he is called.

Same. Probably a combination of lack of hometown fans and no alcohol but the atmosphere over there is a bit dead. Remind me of the Vegas Mayweather fights (apart from Hatton fans and Mexican fans).

It didn't effect the quality of the fight but it would be enhanced with an atmosphere.

[Memphis]

I didn't really score it, but I thought Beterbiev got on top. Bivol not quite the firepower to keep him honest. The commentary from Woodhall, Dempsey (I think) and Carl Frampton in the studio between rounds, was nothing short of disgusting. Frampton wrote Bivol off before half way. I think it was the 9th Bivol cantered. Woodhall and Dempsey didn't have the grace to give him any credit. All they could muster was how Bivol wasn't hurting Beterbiev.

Talking of hurt. Big Fraze getting his canister rearranged like that was a shocker. I thought the nose really hampered Wardley in the first fight. I also think there was a touch of imposter syndrome going on too. Not sure he truly believed he belonged. I expected him to be better second go around. Not that much better though. That injury looked like it might be enough to make Frazer think about jacking it in. That's going to take some coming back from.

Talking of grace. Conor Benn is completely lacking any isn't he? What a repellent cunt. I suppose me mentioning him means he's done his job. I can't believe I'm saying this. But this will be the first time I hope Eubank batters Benn.

Eubank, Opetaia and Nicolson did what they wanted didn't they.

Ben Whittaker. Busted flush. Shame.

[Denilson3.0]

I thought Bivol would win but watching the fight back again ? It wasn't a robbery, nor was it a "Allah Akbar" decision. Guys, we have pro boxing and amateur boxing.

The pro ranks is the pain game.

If you want to tally up landed up punches and score it based on that then maybe amateur boxing is more your speed. That whole Mayweather stuff only works in the lower weight classes. It's hard to rely totally on your technical boxing skills at 175 plus. If you can't bang a little bit at the higher weights then you are in trouble against the elites of the division. Judges are harsh towards "negative fighters" and will reward who's seeking the fight when nothing is landing. Did Bivol really do enough to take it away from the champ who had 3 belts ? I'm still not sure.

I'm good with a draw, and I wouldnt debate against a 7-5 Bivol win, but personally, I have no problem with AB being being the winner. Bivol definitely seem to be outboxing and outlanding Artur for the majority of the match, but he didn't impose his will on AB and he was nearly no mas’ing in the championship rounds. I got the sense that Bivol did well to survive the championship rounds, but it was a lot of just that, surviving. And AB took control near the end of what were otherwise close rounds

And I want to say something else about AB.

You know I'm a year older than AB. He's 39.

When I was a lot younger and stupid, I tried PEDS (light dosage and light stuffs, like deca, test, oxandrolone, stanozolol and Metandienone) of course not all in 1 cycle. I have like 3-4 cycle in total but I pretty much know most stuffs, and I know how it works. I have to say that I've ALWAYS been suspicious of AB. Nobody can out macho him. He's just a tank. His strength is not normal.

His last two fights were postponed due to "injury"





And then he had his testosrone controversy



I just don't buy that at the 39 years old, you will somehow have "elevated" levels especially for this, and HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is one of the key stuffs for athlete to take. Body naturally can produce a lot of stuffs, but your test is going to be hit when you hit 32-33, and especially at your late 30s. I don't know much about the HGH, as it's dangerous, but the benefits for athletes are huge. This is just ain't a good look. Let's be real he was most likely cycling off,

But it could mean anything. It could very well means Beterbiev is juicing like mad, and he mismanaged his cycle, and that's why he delays fight and they slipped up with the cycle/masking agents etc.

Or it could very well be just an unusual case, and Beterbiev is clean as a whistle.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was roided out of his mind. Any big outlier who fights like a wrecking ball should be suspect.

If a fighter has atypically high levels of endogenous hormones, then you would expect them to continually test at an "abnormal" level. Sudden spikes are only indicative of a mistimed cycle. And somehow magically his next few test, somehow was in the norm

Russia's Olympic teams were doping like nuts when Beterbiev competed for them, so I'd be very, very surprised if he wasn't on the sauce by then. Also unlikely that he went cold turkey as a pro and was unfortunate enough to have an "atypical" result. The only way to have higher than normal Testosterone and HGH levels at 39 years old is by being on Peds. There is no way to have high level of test at 39 years old, and be natural.

Trust me I know.

[Master]

Innocent until proven guilty. Beterbiev lives the life of a dedicated boxer.

[ykdadamaja]

I had this fight 116-112 for Bivol. The real fight was in the 6-10 rounds, which I gave Bivol most of. Bivol also won the first three rounds in my books. Beterbiev won the last two rounds, but not convincingly as people made it seem to turn the fight around.

I think we place too much emphasis on the last two rounds for aggression. Like, what did you expect Bivol to do? Stand in front of Beterbiev and get knocked out? Like, wtf? Why would he do that?

To ask a man to forget his boxing skills and stand toe to toe against a power puncher in the late rounds when he was already winning the boxing match is barbaric and silly.

[Memphis]

And I want to say something else about AB.

You know I'm a year older than AB. He's 39.

When I was a lot younger and stupid, I tried PEDS (light dosage and light stuffs, like deca, test, oxandrolone, stanozolol and Metandienone) of course not all in 1 cycle. I have like 3-4 cycle in total but I pretty much know most stuffs, and I know how it works. I have to say that I've ALWAYS been suspicious of AB. Nobody can out macho him. He's just a tank. His strength is not normal.

His last two fights were postponed due to "injury"





And then he had his testosrone controversy



I just don't buy that at the 39 years old, you will somehow have "elevated" levels especially for this, and HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is one of the key stuffs for athlete to take. Body naturally can produce a lot of stuffs, but your test is going to be hit when you hit 32-33, and especially at your late 30s. I don't know much about the HGH, as it's dangerous, but the benefits for athletes are huge. This is just ain't a good look. Let's be real he was most likely cycling off,

But it could mean anything. It could very well means Beterbiev is juicing like mad, and he mismanaged his cycle, and that's why he delays fight and they slipped up with the cycle/masking agents etc.

Or it could very well be just an unusual case, and Beterbiev is clean as a whistle.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was roided out of his mind. Any big outlier who fights like a wrecking ball should be suspect.

If a fighter has atypically high levels of endogenous hormones, then you would expect them to continually test at an "abnormal" level. Sudden spikes are only indicative of a mistimed cycle. And somehow magically his next few test, somehow was in the norm

Russia's Olympic teams were doping like nuts when Beterbiev competed for them, so I'd be very, very surprised if he wasn't on the sauce by then. Also unlikely that he went cold turkey as a pro and was unfortunate enough to have an "atypical" result. The only way to have higher than normal Testosterone and HGH levels at 39 years old is by being on Peds. There is no way to have high level of test at 39 years old, and be natural.

Trust me I know.

As Master has said, innocent until proven guilty. But I'm on board with all of this. There is something seriously suspect about him. OK, You can't condemn a man for looking like a stone cold killer who is carved out of granite. But fucking hell.

I said exactly the same things months ago. Getting stronger and fitter as he gets older. Having to postpone multiple fights back to back due to injuries. Both suspect.

The atypical thing. It's still a fucking mystery to me. Questions..

Prior to Beterbiev/Smith. Can anyone recall reading or hearing about a fighter returning an atypical result? As in it becoming worthy of mention publicly?

Since Beterbiev/Smith. Have there been a glut of further A typical results that have been worthy of public consumption?

How the fuck does an atypical finding differ from someone blatantly taking PEDS? Because post Beterbiev/Smith, every Tom Dick and Harry became an expert in atypical results and what they meant. But every expert explanation I read, sounded exactly like someone taking, and then cycling off of a drug.

Again. Innocent until proven guilty. And there's no real accusation of guilt to be fair. But the whole Beterbiev setup strikes me as suspect.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Fight should have been a draw