Who was Muhammad Ali’s best opponent?

[The Six Four]

Ali’s best opponent for me is also Foreman. I just can’t see anyone else beating him at his best. Frazier’s style plays right into his hands, and while Holmes had the skills, I think Foreman catches him at some point, and I’m not sure he gets back up. A prime Liston might be the one to give Foreman his toughest challenge.

[X]

Just to change the thread a bit ….. (sorry)

I think Ken Norton was Ali’s most DIFFICULT opponent. You could not really separate them after three tough fights, and Ken went life and death with an absolute peak Larry Holmes. Ali struggled the most against Ken Norton.

He is criminally underrated because he got caught cold against two huge punchers in Foreman and Cooney. Lennox Lewis also got caught cold against some big punches.

I always thought Norton never warmed up properly and was a slow starter in fights - so was Joe Frazier. Both Eddie Futch fighters. His other fighters like Marlon Starling, Berbick and even McCollough were good good fighters who all liked to settle in a rhythm. Even Michael Spinks was a long term rhythm fighter who also ultimately got caught cold in a marquee fight.

If Ken entered the ring hot, or didn’t get caught cold…… he would have given Liston, Foreman and Frazier fits. Just like he did against Ali.

One of the most underrated fighters in history, competing in a division stacked with talent.

[The Six Four]

Great post, X. By all means, take the thread in any direction you like—that’s what these discussions are for. I agree that Norton was Ali’s toughest opponent, though I have Frazier as a very close second. You could argue Frazier won the first two fights, and if Futch had let the third continue, who knows if Ali would have made it out himself.

I hadn’t made the connection about Futch-trained fighters being slow starters and needing time to find their rhythm, but now that you mention it, there’s definitely truth to it. Great insight—thanks for sharing. Norton is sadly underrated, largely because of his chin, but his fight with Holmes was an all-time classic.

[Master]

Larry Holmes was chasing Big George Foreman for a fight. I feel Holmes had the chin to withstand the power of George and the boxing skills to convincingly outbox him at their peaks.

[The Six Four]

Master, I agree—Holmes had the skills to trouble any of Ali’s top opponents. But he got caught clean plenty, and if a prime Foreman landed flush, I’m not sure he’s getting back up.

[Mark TKO]

Well in hindsight it’s Larry Holmes but I try and tell myself that fight never happened.

So with that parked to one side has to be Foreman for me.

If prime Holmes fights prime Foreman I’d fancy Holmes to avoid being bombed out and get the UD.

[Master]

Master, I agree—Holmes had the skills to trouble any of Ali’s top opponents. But he got caught clean plenty, and if a prime Foreman landed flush, I’m not sure he’s getting back up.

Holmes always got up and he was knocked down hard by some of the biggest punchers in history. How he got up after Shavers, Snipes and Tyson I do not know. Holmes had amazing recuperative powers.

[Mark TKO]

Am sure he said it was hitting the canvas hard that woke him up when Shavers hit him