Joe Joyce v Filip Hrgovic

[TIC]

The last judge got it right 98-92. 150 power punches landed to the head versus about 30.
Just because Joyce’s head is made of iron doesn’t mean he wins the round.
I would hate to see a brain scan of Joyce and I worry about where he’ll be in 10 years time.

i could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of ways

See in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.

more active for me means landing more punches

Well in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.

punch stats are rubbish. i trust what i'm seeing. joe was out landing filip in certain rounds

[Spicoli]

That was fugly and not lying a little bit hard to watch. We're getting to a point with some guys where maybe mandatory retirement may be a consideration. Eating punches like that at 40 years old will stay on a man, in every way.

[Primo Carnera]

The last judge got it right 98-92. 150 power punches landed to the head versus about 30.
Just because Joyce’s head is made of iron doesn’t mean he wins the round.
I would hate to see a brain scan of Joyce and I worry about where he’ll be in 10 years time.

i could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of ways

See in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.

more active for me means landing more punches

Well in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.

punch stats are rubbish. i trust what i'm seeing. joe was out landing filip in certain rounds

Nah he wasn’t . if you count “tippy tappies” versus full on shots on the head, maybe.
Punch stats can be bullshit, for example shots that just touch the target or go past.
But common sense will tell you that the less margin for error is with power shots landed, because they are clean.
Midway through round 6 (roughly halfway through the fight) Hrgovic had landed with 85 power shots JUST TO THE HEAD as opposed to 12 from Joyce.
That is a fucking ridiculous stat.
Let’s not forget that this is a sport and there have to be some acknowledgment to safety and wellbeing.
Joyce wins fights with a freakishly durable chin absorbing a crazy volume of shots, which tires the other fighter and he then bowls them over.
While you can applaud that if you like, for his own safety it shouldn’t be allowed.
Just because those shots aren’t concussing him like they would normal people, it doesn’t mean they are not damaging his head long term.

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yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

[TIC]

[Primo Carnera]

yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

Exactly that! When do you think he had his last medical? Or any Boxers for that matter? They have to jump through hoops to get their licence, after that nobody gives a flying fuck.
As for “I’m not in the business of telling another man what to do with his body” , yep, the sort of people that say that are the sort of people who say “oh yeah that’s really sad , what a warrior!” When a fighter gets dementia and can’t remember his own name.

[TIC]

i think he would have had his last medical prior to this fight to be cleared. this fight was in the uk? so you should have a better idea than me. over here they are pretty strict, especially with a fight that is on the level of being televised. it is sad to see anyone suffer from any illness but that is not a reason for me to tell another man what he can & can't do with his body & life. people put their health/ lives at risk everyday in all sorts of ways but i'm not going to take away someone's freedom of how they want to live their lives because i don't agree with how they're living it. joe wants to box so he consents to the license & medicals that the sport subject him to, it is up to the sport, those involved & joe himself to make sure he meets those standards. we both know many fighters throughout history, even today that shouldn't have been cleared to fight, yes it's sad how some of them end up but if they chose to fight & weren't forced to, then i have no issue. i'd rather someone be free to choose how they live their life

[Spicoli]

yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

Exactly that! When do you think he had his last medical? Or any Boxers for that matter? They have to jump through hoops to get their licence, after that nobody gives a flying fuck.
As for “I’m not in the business of telling another man what to do with his body” , yep, the sort of people that say that are the sort of people who say “oh yeah that’s really sad , what a warrior!” When a fighter gets dementia and can’t remember his own name.

It's always been the 800lb elephant in the room, who are doing these medicals and exactly what makes up a local commission. Majority are expected professionals but some not so much. Don't know about globally but here in the States some commissions are basically "borrowed" as not all States have them. At least serious ones. It's like a whispered joke that guys who cannot pass medical in one region/country just travel to another for the green light. Guys who have been reported to have suffered brain bleeds Stateside just travel down South and fight in Mexico. Just happened with El Venado Lopez 2 weeks ago. Doctor shopping has to be a real ugly thing in the sport . Not saying Joyce is anywhere doing that but topic just makes you think about the whole licensing process in general. I was sitting there asking what the normal medical protocols are in the UK, with the BBBC (?). Exactly what are the medical knockout protocols 30, 60 or 90 days ? after the whole Bakole vs Parker scenario.

[The Six Four]

Joyce performed far better than I expected. While he's still absorbing far too much punishment with his face, he looked more durable this time—possibly due to coming in at a better weight or Hrgovic’s lack of sustained pressure. If he can maintain this level, there’s still room for a few more competitive showings before he calls it a day.

[Spicoli]

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