Benavidez vs....

[Spicoli]

Think Bivol v Beterbiev III has the green light and contracted should be next. Unfortunately, Turki publicly shut down Benavidez v Bivol talk even though it's a commonsense 'big' fight. Canelo is in a weird unfamiliar spot now. I see only a rematch route for him, and it would be totally understandable. He signed himself away and as far as Turki is concerned he "owes" him another 3 fights. Safe to say they won't be gimmes or centered around a proper build back unless a belt is vacated for him to pick up for rematch. That's massive coming off a huge L and at his career point, let's just be honest. He may be a cash cow but it's the set up to be milked hand over fist right now.

[TitoFan]

Think Bivol v Beterbiev III has the green light and contracted should be next. Unfortunately, Turki publicly shut down Benavidez v Bivol talk even though it's a commonsense 'big' fight. Canelo is in a weird unfamiliar spot now. I see only a rematch route for him, and it would be totally understandable. He signed himself away and as far as Turki is concerned he "owes" him another 3 fights. Safe to say they won't be gimmes or centered around a proper build back unless a belt is vacated for him to pick up for rematch. That's massive coming off a huge L and at his career point, let's just be honest. He may be a cash cow but it's the set up to be milked hand over fist right now.

That being the case, I hope Turki plays hardball. No gimmies, like you said. Goodness knows there have been enough of those. But alas, a boxing star in the twilight of his career isn't likely to change his M.O. Not even for Turki.
Canelo will look to preserve his (cough) legacy and his pretty face for Hollywood and the ESPN documentaries.

[Spicoli]

Think Bivol v Beterbiev III has the green light and contracted should be next. Unfortunately, Turki publicly shut down Benavidez v Bivol talk even though it's a commonsense 'big' fight. Canelo is in a weird unfamiliar spot now. I see only a rematch route for him, and it would be totally understandable. He signed himself away and as far as Turki is concerned he "owes" him another 3 fights. Safe to say they won't be gimmes or centered around a proper build back unless a belt is vacated for him to pick up for rematch. That's massive coming off a huge L and at his career point, let's just be honest. He may be a cash cow but it's the set up to be milked hand over fist right now.

That being the case, I hope Turki plays hardball. No gimmies, like you said. Goodness knows there have been enough of those. But alas, a boxing star in the twilight of his career isn't likely to change his M.O. Not even for Turki.
Canelo will look to preserve his (cough) legacy and his pretty face for Hollywood and the ESPN documentaries.

I don't know what they were thinking repeating that Canelo would be fighting again in February (assuming they also considered it would be off an L) but looks like he's out until at least mid 2026 with elbow surgery. I'm half thinking they're just looking at Canelo as a huge flaming torch to pass and squeeze him dry. Keep seeing mentions of a Sheeraz fight upon return but seriously don't think Canelo will walk back into that off surgery. Guess it all depends on how the contract plays out. Looking big picture it sucks that Benavidez has fallen in line with fighting over in SA. Considering the mass Mexican fan base is starving for 'the next' big attraction with Canelo hitting the exit door, and here we are with Benavidez and Bam Rodriquez in imo a massive 'mega-fight' unification both stuffed over in the afternoon golf tournament arena

[TitoFan]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

[ykdadamaja]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

[Master]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

Rubbish. Floyd took the torch from Oscar, who took it from Chavez, who took it from Tyson (when in jail), who took it from Leonard, who took it from Ali and so forth and what have you.......

[ykdadamaja]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

Rubbish. Floyd took the torch from Oscar, who took it from Chavez, who took it from Tyson (when in jail), who took it from Leonard, who took it from Ali and so forth and what have you.......

True. But Canelo is/was the face over the past 5 years or so. The cash cow that everyone saw as the big ticket item. Give him his respect. He got the payday status that he inherited, so give him that.

[TitoFan]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

Ok, let's delve into this.

WHY was Canelo the (cough) "Face of Boxing"? Let's begin by saying that's not a title won in the ring or anything of the sort. It's a totally subjective title bestowed on someone for reasons other than purely ring accomplishments. Nobody was called "The Face of Boxing" back in the day. There were only champions. ATG champions, good champions, and so-so champions.

People bitch and moan about "P4P", but at least this is based purely on ring accomplishments. EARNED accomplishments. People look at quality of opposition... willingness to fight anyone at any time... etc. "Face of Boxing" is like winning the Miss Universe pageant. They give it to the prettiest girl, as long as she doesn't fukk up the answers to the questions.

Canelo is/was the Face of Boxing because women, who incidentally make up a significant portion of boxing fandom, fawn over his handsome face. They faint over the fact that a Mexican can have red hair and freckles. Canelo was groomed very CAREFULLY since Day One. He, like JCC, accumulated a bloated W-L record made up of taxi cab drivers and saloon bums. Except that Chavez continued on to a storied career, fighting many elite fighters at their peak. Including dangerous fighters that posed a real challenge to his unbeaten record. Chavez didn't marinate... he didn't beg fighters 2 divisions above him to drain themselves so he could fight for a bogus belt. He didn't get NEARLY the amount of gift decisions that Ginger has gotten throughout his career.

Canelo has been brought along meticulously to protect his record and his "pretty face." He's blatantly ducked fighters, and gladly taken on challengers from 2 to 3 divisions down.

SOMEHOW... this has translated into huge followings and PPV $$$$. THAT'S why he's the Face of Boxing. Not because of merit... or because he's better than any of the elite fighters that have coexisted with him. But those elite fighters toil on in darkness. Why?? Because they're not red-headed Mexicans who appeal to the female sector of boxing fandom.

Boxing "needed" a "face" after Floyd? Why? Why not simply enjoy the glut of extremely talented fighters who go out there without catchweight bullshit... diva demands... and crooked judging?
Screw Ginger.

[ykdadamaja]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

Ok, let's delve into this.

WHY was Canelo the (cough) "Face of Boxing"? Let's begin by saying that's not a title won in the ring or anything of the sort. It's a totally subjective title bestowed on someone for reasons other than purely ring accomplishments. Nobody was called "The Face of Boxing" back in the day. There were only champions. ATG champions, good champions, and so-so champions.

People bitch and moan about "P4P", but at least this is based purely on ring accomplishments. EARNED accomplishments. People look at quality of opposition... willingness to fight anyone at any time... etc. "Face of Boxing" is like winning the Miss Universe pageant. They give it to the prettiest girl, as long as she doesn't fukk up the answers to the questions.

Canelo is/was the Face of Boxing because women, who incidentally make up a significant portion of boxing fandom, fawn over his handsome face. They faint over the fact that a Mexican can have red hair and freckles. Canelo was groomed very CAREFULLY since Day One. He, like JCC, accumulated a bloated W-L record made up of taxi cab drivers and saloon bums. Except that Chavez continued on to a storied career, fighting many elite fighters at their peak. Including dangerous fighters that posed a real challenge to his unbeaten record. Chavez didn't marinate... he didn't beg fighters 2 divisions above him to drain themselves so he could fight for a bogus belt. He didn't get NEARLY the amount of gift decisions that Ginger has gotten throughout his career.

Canelo has been brought along meticulously to protect his record and his "pretty face." He's blatantly ducked fighters, and gladly taken on challengers from 2 to 3 divisions down.

SOMEHOW... this has translated into huge followings and PPV $$$$. THAT'S why he's the Face of Boxing. Not because of merit... or because he's better than any of the elite fighters that have coexisted with him. But those elite fighters toil on in darkness. Why?? Because they're not red-headed Mexicans who appeal to the female sector of boxing fandom.

Boxing "needed" a "face" after Floyd? Why? Why not simply enjoy the glut of extremely talented fighters who go out there without catchweight bullshit... diva demands... and crooked judging?
Screw Ginger.

LOL...He was the face and cash cow of boxing for at least the past 5 years. Who would not want a Canelo fight? Even now, despite the losses? All Canelo needs to do is beat up on some mid-level contender and he is back to must-see boxing status. Prove me wrong!

[Master]

You can lump Benavidez in there with the likes of Bivol, Beterbiev, Opetaia, etc. None are well known to casuals. All of them are elite fighters, who just go about their business. No ducking... no shenanigans. No diva B.S.

All of them would rip Ginger a new one. Unfortunately, Bivol left it up to the judges back when they fought... and he almost paid the almost certain, predictable price.

Hopefully... Ginger continues to fade off into the sunset.

He was convincingly beaten by a guy 3 divisions south of him... so there's that "little thorn" stuck to his side.

I honestly couldn't give less of a damn what Canelo does next. Hopefully Turki will make sure he fights real fights against real opponents. But in the end it's the diva who really calls the shots.

Can't wait for "Boxing After Ginger."

Hey, be fair to Canelo. Boxing needed a face when Floyd left and he was the face for quite a bit. He excited Mexican fight fans and in turn it excited black fans and white fans followed suit. If it wasn't for Canelo, these paydays these guys got off of him would not be. And if it wasn't for Floyd, none of them would be here.

Ok, let's delve into this.

WHY was Canelo the (cough) "Face of Boxing"? Let's begin by saying that's not a title won in the ring or anything of the sort. It's a totally subjective title bestowed on someone for reasons other than purely ring accomplishments. Nobody was called "The Face of Boxing" back in the day. There were only champions. ATG champions, good champions, and so-so champions.

People bitch and moan about "P4P", but at least this is based purely on ring accomplishments. EARNED accomplishments. People look at quality of opposition... willingness to fight anyone at any time... etc. "Face of Boxing" is like winning the Miss Universe pageant. They give it to the prettiest girl, as long as she doesn't fukk up the answers to the questions.

Canelo is/was the Face of Boxing because women, who incidentally make up a significant portion of boxing fandom, fawn over his handsome face. They faint over the fact that a Mexican can have red hair and freckles. Canelo was groomed very CAREFULLY since Day One. He, like JCC, accumulated a bloated W-L record made up of taxi cab drivers and saloon bums. Except that Chavez continued on to a storied career, fighting many elite fighters at their peak. Including dangerous fighters that posed a real challenge to his unbeaten record. Chavez didn't marinate... he didn't beg fighters 2 divisions above him to drain themselves so he could fight for a bogus belt. He didn't get NEARLY the amount of gift decisions that Ginger has gotten throughout his career.

Canelo has been brought along meticulously to protect his record and his "pretty face." He's blatantly ducked fighters, and gladly taken on challengers from 2 to 3 divisions down.

SOMEHOW... this has translated into huge followings and PPV $$$$. THAT'S why he's the Face of Boxing. Not because of merit... or because he's better than any of the elite fighters that have coexisted with him. But those elite fighters toil on in darkness. Why?? Because they're not red-headed Mexicans who appeal to the female sector of boxing fandom.

Boxing "needed" a "face" after Floyd? Why? Why not simply enjoy the glut of extremely talented fighters who go out there without catchweight bullshit... diva demands... and crooked judging?
Screw Ginger.

I agree with what you said about JCC and will always be higher than Canelo.

The other things could also apply to our AJ who is/was our equivalent over here in the UK. Yes there was more public interest, he elevated the money for boxers in his division and carried boxing but when it came to an consistent level he was found wanting.