I think shza has some valid points.

Nobody is arguing that Ricky isn't a very very good fighter, we all agree that he is but p4p top 10 maybe could be contested.

As shza says De La Hoya is probably better than him but not on most people's p4p.

You could also argue Cotto, Margarito, the Marquez brothers, Juan Diaz etc are all right up there and could easily be considered as good if not better than Ricky.

Ricky so far has only beaten one big name fighter, there is nobody else on his record that he woulldnt have been expected to have beaten easily.

Lets consider this, apart from Tyszu, is there anyone else on his record that you would argue that Cotto, or Castillo, PBF, Oscar etc could not have beaten?

I don't think there is.

The Tyszu win was great, BUT it was a 35 year old Tyszu who had had only 1 fight in 2 or 3 years if I remember, who had injury problems and has since retired.

Personally I would put him amongst the top 10 p4p but at the lowest end 9 or 10 but if someone feels he's not top 10 or even not top 15 it's kind of difficult to argue.

Thats not hating its just having differing opinions of a fighters merits.

If we all thought exactly the same then a discussion board like this would be very dull. :P

to both of you