McGirt gets alot of credit for making Gatti a 'boxer'. He didnt box anyone decent in the whole time he was with him.

Trainers are hard to rate I think. Had Rick not chosen the Phoenix what would Graham be rated as? People often say if Naz had stayed with Ingle he would have faired better. What if he had never met him and learned to box 'proper'?

I like Roach, great job with Pacquiao. You have to respect Manny Steward as well, he may cherry pick fighters but he has paid his dues and earned the right to.