What if? Floyd Mayweather vs 1981 Ray Leonard

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I know somebody who would have beaten those three.

[p4pking]

I know somebody who would have beaten those three.

Somebody named........

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In 81 when Leonard beat Hearns those 2 were the best welters Id ever seen Id been in the game20 years then, the last 30 years theres nothing Ive seen that would make me change my mind

[JT Rock]

Floyd is going to go down in history just like Mike Tyson (providing he retires before fighters start figuring him out)...Overrated

OVERRATTED Oh like your Boy Wlad Klit Yea thats him Mr China chin himself...Ruler of the paper division. Man Lyle your hypocrisy knows no bounds sometimes...

You rag on Floyds style but your so fast to point out Willie Pep being a G.O.A.T and PFP one of the best ever.... and he admited himself This coming out of Willie Peps Mouth and I Quote

" MY FIGHT STYLE.. HE WHO HITS AND RUNS AWAY LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....SO THATS WHAT I DID FOR 29 YEARS, I TRIED TO HIT AND RUN....I GOT AWAY WITH IT"

So one fighter you like fights a certain way but another does a little of the same and you diss him.....

To call Mayweather OVERATTED, is not just ridiculous but total insanity...I mean C'mon man

[cockey cockney]

In 81 when Leonard beat Hearns those 2 were the best welters Id ever seen Id been in the game20 years then, the last 30 years theres nothing Ive seen that would make me change my mind

So are you saying Leonard and Hearns were the two best welters you have ever seen? Very good choices, who you rate higher?

[El Kabong]

OVERRATTED  Oh like your Boy Wlad Klit Yea thats him Mr China chin himself...Ruler of the paper division.   Man Lyle your hypocrisy knows no bounds sometimes...

You rag on Floyds style but your so fast to point out Willie Pep being a G.O.A.T and PFP one of the best ever.... and he admited himself This coming out of Willie Peps Mouth and I Quote

" MY FIGHT STYLE.. HE WHO HITS AND RUNS AWAY LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....SO THATS WHAT I DID FOR 29 YEARS, I TRIED TO HIT AND RUN....I GOT AWAY WITH IT"

So one fighter you like fights a certain way but another does a little of the same and you diss him.....

To call Mayweather OVERATTED, is not just ridiculous but total insanity...I mean C'mon man 

I have not called Wladimir an all-time great...and the fact you always bring me being a fan of his up to debunk my point of view is sorry and just goes to show you have NO argument against me....."but but but you like Wladimir".....yeah and what does it have to do with FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR......at least Wlad stepped up to the plate and fought some challenges in his career!

Yes I think of Willie Pep as one of the P4P greatest of all time HOWEVER...he used his defense more than his legs.

Willie Pep was never lackluster, he was never boring, he didn't put fans to sleep....Floyd does that, Floyd doesn't feint and bob and weave too much....Floyd Mayweather Jr lays back in his little philly shell defense and waits.....or he runs around.

Willie Pep was active in the ring and when he outclassed someone he worked hard to do it, to do his best....if he could KO them, he did it. Floyd doesn't even TRY....why pay the guy any money if he's not even going to try.

Willie Pep also met challenges....Sandy Saddler anyone And that was AFTER a life threatening plane crash!!!!

Floyd has done fuck all with the talent he has!


AND TO COMPARE FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR TO WILLIE PEP IS OUTRIGHT BLASPHEMY!

[JT Rock]

OVERRATTED Oh like your Boy Wlad Klit Yea thats him Mr China chin himself...Ruler of the paper division. Man Lyle your hypocrisy knows no bounds sometimes...

You rag on Floyds style but your so fast to point out Willie Pep being a G.O.A.T and PFP one of the best ever.... and he admited himself This coming out of Willie Peps Mouth and I Quote

" MY FIGHT STYLE.. HE WHO HITS AND RUNS AWAY LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY....SO THATS WHAT I DID FOR 29 YEARS, I TRIED TO HIT AND RUN....I GOT AWAY WITH IT"

So one fighter you like fights a certain way but another does a little of the same and you diss him.....

To call Mayweather OVERATTED, is not just ridiculous but total insanity...I mean C'mon man

I have not called Wladimir an all-time great

Yes I think of Willie Pep as one of the P4P greatest of all time HOWEVER...he used his defense more than his legs.

Willie Pep was never lackluster, he was never boring, he didn't put fans to sleep....Floyd does that, Floyd doesn't feint and bob and weave too much....Floyd Mayweather Jr lays back in his little philly shell defense and waits.....or he runs around.

Willie Pep was active in the ring and when he outclassed someone he worked hard to do it, to do his best....if he could KO them, he did it. Floyd doesn't even TRY....why pay the guy any money if he's not even going to try.

Willie Pep also met challenges....Sandy Sadler anyone And that was AFTER a life threatening plane crash!!!!

Floyd has done F*** all with the talent he has!

Yea at 28 he such a colossal waste of talent Also you are so completely wrong and shows you know zip about Mayweather.... Philly Shell Oh yea cause he fought Baldomir hurt his hand and decided to humiliate Baldomir and make him look like Frankenstein for the last 6 rounds...Basically beating him with one hand tied behind his back...

and That was 1 Friggin match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me who he fought and ran? He has one hell of a Ko percentage for being a runner.... Your just hating Lyle....

You got 0 to back up any of this up.....

Floyd is an exceptional Feinter and bobs and weaves better than anyone since he has turned pro especially on the ropes... Get over it man

[El Kabong]

I'm not talking about ONE match dude....I'm talking WHOLE CAREER.

I didn't expect PBF to KO Carlos Baldomir....I did however expect Floyd to WORK for the win and not just coast for 12 rounds....hurt hand or not!

I got 0 to back it up? He right NOW admittedly at the end of his career is FINALLY fighting a Great fighter.

For being p4p or as great as he thinks he is, that plain FACT is depressing when looking over his career.

Floyd has the talent of a great fighter I am not sold on his heart....and his dedication to the fans. His dedication to being in fighting shape is amazing but hell Jack Lalane is 90 and he's in amazing shape, it doesn't make him a great boxer though.

I question his desire to achieve....to really WORK to be great. He has very seldom been tested and it sounds like I am really hating but check it...when you are a great you have to seek out challenge. Oppertunity doesn't just come to you, you have to find it and defeat it and only then can you be great.

[JT Rock]

I'm not talking about ONE match dude....I'm talking WHOLE CAREER.

I didn't expect PBF to KO Carlos Baldomir....I did however expect Floyd to WORK for the win and not just coast for 12 rounds....hurt hand or not!

I got 0 to back it up? He right NOW admittedly at the end of his career is FINALLY fighting a Great fighter.

For being p4p or as great as he thinks he is, that plain FACT is depressing when looking over his career.

Floyd has the talent of a great fighter I am not sold on his heart....and his dedication to the fans. His dedication to being in fighting shape is amazing but hell Jack Lalane is 90 and he's in amazing shape, it doesn't make him a great boxer though.

I question his desire to achieve....to really WORK to be great. He has very seldom been tested and it sounds like I am really hating but check it...when you are a great you have to seek out challenge. Oppertunity doesn't just come to you, you have to find it and defeat it and only then can you be great.

I really dont think anyone is particularly sold on him retiring after Delahoya at least I'm not.....I get so agitated when people(not you) bring up these 3 fighters that Floyds greatness runs through

Margarito

Cotto

Hatton

You know what all 3 of those guys have in common? I'll tell you...In the next month all 3 of them have tough fights that arent gimmes...I for one will wait till the outcomes before I utter these guys deserving a shot at Floyd..

especially Margarito.. Outside of this who would get Floyd to acceptable status in your eyes

[El Kabong]

JT, thanks for agreeing to disagree...CC

As for the guys like Hatton, Cotto, Margarito....if you look back to Ray Leonard (oddly enough) you'll find he took on a YOUNG, TALENTED, POWER PUNCHING, DANGEROUS, SEEMINGLY INVINCIBLE, UNDEFEATED fighter by the name of Tommy Hearns.

Ray didn't have too much left to prove but the CHALLENGE OF THE FIGHT drove Ray Leonard to take on Tommy Hearns and he had to work really hard to win that fight. He had to overcome adversity to triumph.....that's what people are waiting for Floyd to do.


Floyd has all the talent in the world I am just waiting for him to get in with someone who is going to make him use 110% of that talent....someone that's going to push him to the brink of quitting. Jose Luis Castillo is the only one that has even come close so far. And I don't know if it's just how much better Floyd is that the other guys or if he's scared to get a 1 in the L column....that's my concern, I never have decided...why not fight Oscar? Why not fight Shane Mosely?

If Floyd is truely the best he'll be willing to prove it and that's all the fans ask for.

[JT Rock]

JT, thanks for agreeing to disagree...CC

As for the guys like Hatton, Cotto, Margarito....if you look back to Ray Leonard (oddly enough) you'll find he took on a YOUNG, TALENTED, POWER PUNCHING, DANGEROUS, SEEMINGLY INVINCIBLE, UNDEFEATED fighter by the name of Tommy Hearns.

Ray didn't have too much left to prove but the CHALLENGE OF THE FIGHT drove Ray Leonard to take on Tommy Hearns and he had to work really hard to win that fight. He had to overcome adversity to triumph.....that's what people are waiting for Floyd to do.


Floyd has all the talent in the world I am just waiting for him to get in with someone who is going to make him use 110% of that talent....someone that's going to push him to the brink of quitting. Jose Luis Castillo is the only one that has even come close so far. And I don't know if it's just how much better Floyd is that the other guys or if he's scared to get a 1 in the L column....that's my concern, I never have decided...why not fight Oscar? Why not fight Shane Mosely?

If Floyd is truely the best he'll be willing to prove it and that's all the fans ask for.

Its hard when Floyd dosent have a bona fied nemesis like Tommy Hearns, Joe Frazier Jake Lamotta etc YET

It could be Cotto, Hatton or Margarito but not yet..

back by the way

[El Kabong]

...it is hard, but you have top search those guys out.

If he had to move divisions or whatever he had to find someone good to fight. Tszyu, Oscar, Mosley, ....people called for him to fight Spadafora....Dorin. Those guys aren't GREAT by any means but they are more of a challenge than Miguel Melo and Sam Girad

I look at Floyd's record and see a lack of great fighters but also a lack of really GOOD fighters....there are some has beens and never was' but Floyd really didn't spend too much time during his prime (which is now) finding opponents to make his record stand out like Great fighters like Oscar De la Hoya and Shane Mosley did.

Floyd must understand he could take a loss in doing this but taking a chance is worth the risk....as long as he doesn't move up to light heavyweight or anything stupid like that

[ImRipped]

I think Ray Leonard's brightest moment as a pro which showed his great talents was his unbelievable performance against Aaron Pryor when he, oh wait, that's right, Ray ducked Aaron.

sorry

[right_cross]

I think Ray Leonard's brightest moment as a pro which showed his great talents was his unbelievable performance against Aaron Pryor when he, oh wait, that's right, Ray ducked Aaron.

sorry

I could make a case that Pryor fought at 140 in his prime and Ray at 147. Pryor never stepped up to 147 to push the challange. But I wont do that.

In fact I agree with you. Ray wanted nothing to do with Pryor. But then again, who did? Prime Pryor was an animal. The only fighter with the balls to fight him was Arguello, who moved up to 140 to face him. We all know how that turned out.

If a prime Pryor was fighting today at 140, I'd say Floyd would be spending a great deal of time in the sweatbox to stay at 135.

[DaxxKahn]

In 81 when Leonard beat Hearns those 2 were the best welters Id ever seen Id been in the game20 years then, the last 30 years theres nothing Ive seen that would make me change my mind

So are you saying Leonard and Hearns were the two best welters you have ever seen? Very good choices, who you rate higher?

I have never seen him in person due to the time gap of course but I Have seen many of his fights on film or tape and I don't care what anyone says...Ray Robinson at 147 is the most amazing man I have ever seen to put on a pair og gloves...at 147 or anyother weight